8:18 in London.
8:18 in London.
What are your thoughts on the crop of Steeplers behind Jager? Cabral, and Huling and Bayer (obviously)?
What did you make of the London race too? what does it mean for Jager?
He ran 3:34 and 3:52 in 2013, while being coached by helmer. Why would they try to make him a steepler in Portland? He isn't another Evan Jager, and the coaches should of realized that over a year ago.
Bayer has been struggling, and underachieving since he's been in Portland with Schumacher.
I much prefer unchartered waters where no boats are available for hire.
If he can improve by the tiniest margin, Just 4 seconds in his 3rd year in the steeple, he'll be right next to Cabral and Huling.
He isn't Jäger, but what does that mean? 334 is awesome but would he be top 4 in the U.S.? Highly unlikely. The top guys always separate themselves in the steeple so his times now essentially guarantee he'll be fighting for a top 2-4 finish. Smart move.
You Know Me wrote:
If he can improve by the tiniest margin, Just 4 seconds in his 3rd year in the steeple, he'll be right next to Cabral and Huling.
He isn't Jäger, but what does that mean? 334 is awesome but would he be top 4 in the U.S.? Highly unlikely. The top guys always separate themselves in the steeple so his times now essentially guarantee he'll be fighting for a top 2-4 finish. Smart move.
Exactly
The only caveat is, I've never been a fan of being the 3rd guy in your group in a certain event. Makes it really difficult to make a team when there are two guys that you train with who beat you every day.
Another example is Pat Casey. Certainly a U.S. top 10 guy, but when he looks across the track and sees Blankenship, Wheating and maybe even J Mac, how can he think he's going to make the team? We haven't even mentioned Centro, Leo and the rest of the guys yet. In his case I think he would be better off in a different group where he's the top dog. Of course, I could be way off though.
Of course, by next year he might be the second best in the group.
You Know Me wrote:
The only caveat is, I've never been a fan of being the 3rd guy in your group in a certain event. Makes it really difficult to make a team when there are two guys that you train with who beat you every day.
Another example is Pat Casey. Certainly a U.S. top 10 guy, but when he looks across the track and sees Blankenship, Wheating and maybe even J Mac, how can he think he's going to make the team? We haven't even mentioned Centro, Leo and the rest of the guys yet. In his case I think he would be better off in a different group where he's the top dog. Of course, I could be way off though.
Montesquieu wrote:
Of course, by next year he might be the second best in the group.
You Know Me wrote:The only caveat is, I've never been a fan of being the 3rd guy in your group in a certain event. Makes it really difficult to make a team when there are two guys that you train with who beat you every day.
Another example is Pat Casey. Certainly a U.S. top 10 guy, but when he looks across the track and sees Blankenship, Wheating and maybe even J Mac, how can he think he's going to make the team? We haven't even mentioned Centro, Leo and the rest of the guys yet. In his case I think he would be better off in a different group where he's the top dog. Of course, I could be way off though.
Why would he go to another group to be the top dog? Pride?
There's no point in switching group if you get to train with the top 2 steeplers in the U.S., they're likely to make you faster
If he goes to a group w/ no one to push him, he may get slower, let alone they have the best coaching for steepling in Schumachers group
At the U.S. Champs all of them are going to go for top 3 anyways
NOP Skeptic wrote:
Montesquieu wrote:Of course, by next year he might be the second best in the group.
Why would he go to another group to be the top dog? Pride?
There's no point in switching group if you get to train with the top 2 steeplers in the U.S., they're likely to make you faster
If he goes to a group w/ no one to push him, he may get slower, let alone they have the best coaching for steepling in Schumachers group
At the U.S. Champs all of them are going to go for top 3 anyways
True, but nobody is competing with Jager. Basically the other two are going for spots 2/3. I never said he should go to another group, I suggested it might be beneficial for Pat Casey (assuming his goal is to make US teams) to switch groups considering he has 2-3 teammates whom he never beats and another few who are younger and could emerge on the scene next year. Considering all those guys are essentially competing for one 1500 spot because Centro/Leo are stone cold locks, that puts the no3 guy in a group in a VERY bad situation.
Could it be a worse coaching situation? Sure. But it could also be better. Point being- it might be a risk one needs to take (again, assuming) if the goal is to be top 3 at USAs.
Fort Wayne nationals wrote:
He ran 3:34 and 3:52 in 2013, while being coached by helmer. Why would they try to make him a steepler in Portland? He isn't another Evan Jager, and the coaches should of realized that over a year ago.
Compare where an 8:18 gets you in the USA vs. 3:34. Why not?
Give Andy a break. He is healthy and very talented. It's good for him to have training partners to learn from and chase after. I have no doubt that he will eventually give Jager a run for his money if he stays healthy and can learn to finish his last lap better. Eventually. Andy is just so smooth. Very humble too which goes a long way in life.
Fort Wayne nationals wrote:
He ran 3:34 and 3:52 in 2013, while being coached by helmer. Why would they try to make him a steepler in Portland? He isn't another Evan Jager, and the coaches should of realized that over a year ago.
Bayer has been struggling, and underachieving since he's been in Portland with Schumacher.
'of' =/= 'have'
Terrible?!
Mo- pan am 10k champ
Hill- usatf 5k champ
Jager- usatf 3kst champ
Huling- usatf 3kst bronze
Lomong- 7.41 for 3k
Derrick- 3x usatf XC champ
Flanagan- 10k wc's team
Infeld- 10k wc's team
***what more do you want to be counted as a success in 2015?!?!
None of those times are notable, except for Jager who is coached by somebody else.
Fort Wayne nationals wrote:
He ran 3:34 and 3:52 in 2013, while being coached by helmer. Why would they try to make him a steepler in Portland? He isn't another Evan Jager, and the coaches should of realized that over a year ago.
Bayer has been struggling, and underachieving since he's been in Portland with Schumacher.
His 3:34 was more than 2 years ago, equivalent to around 8:10 for a steeple.
With his light build he is more suited to the 10k, though he probably doesn't have the background for it.
How tall is Bayer? wrote:
Fort Wayne nationals wrote:He ran 3:34 and 3:52 in 2013, while being coached by helmer. Why would they try to make him a steepler in Portland? He isn't another Evan Jager, and the coaches should of realized that over a year ago.
Bayer has been struggling, and underachieving since he's been in Portland with Schumacher.
His 3:34 was more than 2 years ago, equivalent to around 8:10 for a steeple.
With his light build he is more suited to the 10k, though he probably doesn't have the background for it.
No his light build is exactly what you need to run the steeplechase.
The guy that I thought would be better in the steeplechase than he is = Leslie. A very savvy racer. Great speed. He just seems to have a wall in front of him in the honey badger of running events.
Bayer was looking at 8:14 at nationals until he ran out of gas. It's time now for Dobert to give him his formal initiation into the fraternity and let him know what isn't even written in the IAAF manual -- the last three barriers are jacked up to 48 inches.
With the steeple, you don't pick the event, the event calls you to it.
This is why` wrote:
None of those times are notable, except for Jager who is coached by somebody else.
I think you're trolling but uh...
Solinsky and Tegenkamp both broke 13 under Jerry. One even beat Rupp to the sub 27.