Who is Elijah Manangoi? (Can he supplant Kiprop?)

I was wondering the same thing when I saw the results, I was like who is this?

The meet directors did a good job at getting this guy, I guess the 3:38A (3:32 NCAA conversion) got him in, and there was also another 3:30 Kenyan in there I didn't know

The fact that he has 46 second 400m split is great, don't worry about the Kenyan AT list, the Kenyan trials are in 2 weeks and I woudnt be surprised to see him make the team

Think of guy like Centro on the AT list, way back, only has a 3:30, but he's one of the favorites for a medal in Bejeing, and I doubt even Centro has 46 second 400 speed

Gold in Rio.....?

NOP Skeptic wrote:

I was wondering the same thing when I saw the results, I was like who is this?

The meet directors did a good job at getting this guy, I guess the 3:38A (3:32 NCAA conversion) got him in, and there was also another 3:30 Kenyan in there I didn't know

The fact that he has 46 second 400m split is great, don't worry about the Kenyan AT list, the Kenyan trials are in 2 weeks and I woudnt be surprised to see him make the team

Think of guy like Centro on the AT list, way back, only has a 3:30, but he's one of the favorites for a medal in Bejeing, and I doubt even Centro has 46 second 400 speed

Centro was only a favorite in the minds of the Americans. He finished pretty much where his PB said he would finish today. The 1500m is a lot more staked than it was when he medaled. Look for him to finish in a similar spot in Rio if he makes the final. Just because he medaled in two previous WC when the fields weren't as good doesn't mean anything. He can be a "great championship racer" and be "so good at being in position at the bell" but the reality is that he's not as fast as those guys and he got annihilated on the last lap. So he's not going to be a favorite ever in a race like we saw today. You can forget about that.

NOP Skeptic wrote:

I was wondering the same thing when I saw the results, I was like who is this?

The meet directors did a good job at getting this guy, I guess the 3:38A (3:32 NCAA conversion) got him in, and there was also another 3:30 Kenyan in there I didn't know

The fact that he has 46 second 400m split is great, don't worry about the Kenyan AT list, the Kenyan trials are in 2 weeks and I woudnt be surprised to see him make the team

Think of guy like Centro on the AT list, way back, only has a 3:30, but he's one of the favorites for a medal in Bejeing, and I doubt even Centro has 46 second 400 speed

Cenrto a favorite??? The comedy around here is great. Let's see, Kiprop 3:26, Kiplagat 3:27, Iguider 3:28, Makhloufi 3:28, Manangoi 3:29 and Willis 3:29, Centro and Manzano 3:30.

Everyone on that list except Managoi had medaled going into the race but you say the guy with the next to last PB in the race was a favorite? Keep believing that one pal. Six guys really look scared of Centro as they passed him on the bell lap. And don't gimme any shit about him not being fit. He PRd this season and talked a bunch of shit about goin for gold. He'll never medal again.

[quote]Lenny Leonard wrote:

Fastest Kenyan's All-Time:

1. Lagat

2. Kiprop

3. Kiplagat

4. Ngeny

5. Kwemoi

6. Kipchirchir Komen

7. Chirchir

8. Komen

9. Choge

10. Ndiku

11. Manangoi[

quote]

Fastest Kenyan's what all-time?

Nobody has ran faster than 3:29 anywhere but Monaco in a long, long, long time. There have been only 5 sub 3:30 performances since Choge's 3:29 in Berlin over 6 years ago, 4 of them by Kiprop and Kiplagat. They and Nixon Chepseba are the only true sub 3:30 runners left.

You don't become anybody by running 3:29 in Monaco, you join a thick crowd of 3:29 Monaco guys who are all 2 or 3 seconds slower in the real world. What happens in Monaco stays in Monaco.

You have a strange idea about Monaco. The reality is that in Monaco there is the tradition to invest a lot of money in the race of 1500m, paying the best rabbits very much more than in any other DL.

The secret of the times in Monaco are the rabbits. When Silas, coming from 3'34" in Nairobi, won in 2010 in 3'29"27, Augustin Choge wanted to run under 3'30", and asked for a split of 2'47" at 1200m. Collins Cheboi, one of my athletes, was the pacer, and was not able to arrive till 1200m, but ran the first 1100m very fast (2'33"), and Augustin had the courage to attack, being alone with 8 meters of gap after 1200m. This was the ideal situation for Silas, who loves the progression when there is fast speed.

In 2011, nothing special : Silas won again in 3'30"47.

In 2012, Asbel Kiprop wanted his personal rabbit, and ran 3'28"88, becoming himself the pacer for Chepseba (3'29"77), Nick Willis (3'30"35) and Makhloufi (3'30"80).

In 2013, again a race organized for Asbel with 3 personal pacers : 3'27"72 for him, and of course PB for Mo (3'28"81), Caleb Ndiku (3'29"50) and Birgen (3'30"77).

In 2014, the fast pace for Asbel was the reason because of the best PB of Silas (3'27"64), with the greatest race ever with 7 athletes under 3'30".

Put in your mind that the performances depend on the pace, not on the track.

In the past, nobody of the best athletes ever had his PB in Monaco.

These are the best performances of El Guerrouj, Bernard Lagat and Noah Ngeny :

EL GUERROUJ :

3'26"00 Roma 1998

3'26"12 Bruxelles 2001

3'26"45 Zurich 1998

3'26"89 Zurich 2002

3'26"96 Rieti 2002

2'27"34 MONACO 2002

LAGAT :

2'26"34 Bruxelles 2001

3'27"40 Zurich 2004

3'27"91 MONACO 2002

NGENY :

3'28"12 Zurich 2000

3'28"54 Roma 1999

3'28"73 Sevilla 1999

3'28"84 Paris 1999

3'28"93 München 1999

3'29"19 Bruxelles 1999

3'29"79 MONACO 1999

3'30"34 MONACO 1998

So, it's not clear because you think the track of Monaco can be shorter.

And quit to have some Conspiracy about the tracks in the World where normally there are the best performances : THERE IS NO TRACK OUT OF THE REGULAR LENGTH OF 400m, in any big meeting of DL, World Challenge, and in any case meetings of high level.

The procedure for the homologation of a Track for international competitions is very accurate and complex : for example, it's not possible to have a difference in the level among the first and the 8th lane of more than 2 millimeters, and the machines used for checking these levels are advanced electronic implements with very high precision.

I repeat : the fact some track, such as Monaco, Doha or Rieti, are able to produce very fast races, is due to 3 main factors :

1) The best quality of the surface (for example, these 3 tracks have a Mondo surface very thick, able to give back high elastic thrust)

2) Optimal weather, with very dry air

3) Specific interest in these events, where the organizers invest more money than in other events in order to guarantee a very fast and even pace.

Thanks for the post, Renato.

Pwned.

I don't agree with Renato on doping issues, but he is right on about Monaco. Wigins is a dullard with no ability to think critically or adapt to new information.

I'm bumping my own thread here, because I think Manangoi is still one of the 4 best 1500m men in the world.

If anything happens to Kiprop in the next few months, Manangoi is the man. Mark my words.

Manangoi is the only one with a chance at dethroning Kiprop.

Kiprop and Manang'oi both ran tactically horrible at WCs and finished 1-2. Manang'oi's last 100 was faster than Kiprop's as well. I think in a really tactical race he could be able to gain the upperhand (think WC 2013).

Haha, this thread is a hasn't aged well classic.