Thank you GOD, Salazar is NOT Jager s coach

I don't want to defend Salazar, but this is a great point. How does jerry get such a pass, especially being so secretive. He has had as many flameouts as Salazar and some pretty unexplainable jumps in performance (SOLINSKY 5k/10k).

not a salazar fan but wrote:

I don't want to defend Salazar, but this is a great point. How does jerry get such a pass, especially being so secretive. He has had as many flameouts as Salazar and some pretty unexplainable jumps in performance (SOLINSKY 5k/10k).

Just spitballing here, but it might have something to do with the fact that 20 of Jerry's former runners *haven't* gone to USADA and David Epstein with concerns about his use of prescription drugs and other performance enhancers.

I think this thread itself constitutes a rumor.

anacondarunner wrote:

not a salazar fan but wrote:

I don't want to defend Salazar, but this is a great point. How does jerry get such a pass, especially being so secretive. He has had as many flameouts as Salazar and some pretty unexplainable jumps in performance (SOLINSKY 5k/10k).

Just spitballing here, but it might have something to do with the fact that 20 of Jerry's former runners *haven't* gone to USADA and David Epstein with concerns about his use of prescription drugs and other performance enhancers.

Sounds accurate to me :)

not a salazar fan but wrote:

I don't want to defend Salazar, but this is a great point. How does jerry get such a pass, especially being so secretive. He has had as many flameouts as Salazar and some pretty unexplainable jumps in performance (SOLINSKY 5k/10k).

A. The whole thing where no rumors are coming from Jerry's athletes, masseurs, assistant coaches, and even USATF officials. This includes no rumors coming from Kara, who worked in that group for a while.

B. The Solinsky jump had a lot to do with being in the right races. He did run a 13:12 during the summer after college. Running 12:55 3 years later isn't that unreasonable. He was consistent during that whole time and focused on championship races or just getting the standard to get to them. Had he raced in some faster races in that time, he probably would have run low 13:0x. His flameout was due to getting very injured.

C. It is still possible Jerry's group is up to something. They get a "free pass" until rumors start up other than message board speculation because they are running too fast. For many years Salazar has been dealing with rumors more specific than just having too much success.

I thought this thread was simply to say thank God that Alberto hasn't had a chance to ruin Jager.

Amen for That wrote:

I thought this thread was simply to say thank God that Alberto hasn't had a chance to ruin Jager.

Salalzar hasn't had the chance to ruin Jager's reputation.

If Salazar was coach Jager would already have an Olympic medal and the WR. Admit it.

dos santos64 wrote:

otherwise...rumors will come up

Rumors like jordan hasay and jager having the same hair stylist? Good thing those two not on the same team because I'd get them confused.

It is a good point. Rupp has taken the brunt of the NOP doping speculation because his performances are outliers for US distance running. If Rupp was a 27:30/13:15 guy who never made a US national team, no one would thin there was any issue with doping. But, the premise of the "Rupp must be doping" argument is that US distance runners are just not capable of those kinds of outlier performances, therefore Rupp is doping. But Rupp is not the only one who is having outlier performances. Simpson, Flanagan, True and Jager have all had outlier performances that are on par with Rupp, but we all presume they are clean. But the doping that Rupp is accused of (microdosing) is nothing that is only possible under the guidance of NOP. Anyone could do it. Victor Conte knows how to beat drug tests under the biological passport. So, until someone is caught red handed, it is not fair to build a doping accusation just based on outlier performances and rumors.

anacondarunner wrote:

Just spitballing here, but it might have something to do with the fact that 20 of Jerry's former runners *haven't* gone to USADA and David Epstein with concerns about his use of prescription drugs and other performance enhancers.

How do you know they haven't? Maybe some ex-Jerry runners did go to USADA but they didn't cry in front of the cameras like Groucher and go to the newspapers and blogs like Magness did.

The pertinent question here is why LRC has taken sides in this, why they delete most threads criticizing KG while leaving up all kinds of other trash.

How would you know? wrote:

anacondarunner wrote:

Just spitballing here, but it might have something to do with the fact that 20 of Jerry's former runners *haven't* gone to USADA and David Epstein with concerns about his use of prescription drugs and other performance enhancers.

How do you know they haven't? Maybe some ex-Jerry runners did go to USADA but they didn't cry in front of the cameras like Groucher and go to the newspapers and blogs like Magness did.

The pertinent question here is why LRC has taken sides in this, why they delete most threads criticizing KG while leaving up all kinds of other trash.

Interviews of Mo, Centro and Rupp man-crying in front of the camera. That is how we know.

How would you know? wrote:

The pertinent question here is why LRC has taken sides in this,

"take sides" is the understatement of the year.

They've all but convicted Rupp/Salazar/Farah, hailed K. Goucher and Magness as great american heroes, are are 1000% all in on "Jager is the US running savior and there is absolutely no chance in hell he is doping or even in any 'gray area'" bandwagon.

Talk about jumping to conclusions or lack of balance/caution/fairness.

We know about Mo wrote:

Interviews of Mo, Centro and Rupp man-crying in front of the camera. That is how we know.

I have no idea what you are trying to say, because it makes no sense as written. Centro man-crying? He would whup you and you would be the one crying, if you could still breathe.

somebloke wrote:

anacondarunner wrote:

Just spitballing here, but it might have something to do with the fact that 20 of Jerry's former runners *haven't* gone to USADA and David Epstein with concerns about his use of prescription drugs and other performance enhancers.

Sounds accurate to me :)

+1

Not too mention that I have never seen Coach Schumacher linked to earlier allegations about Athletics West and making public statements about training in the 'gray area' and athletes must dope to win medals.

I seem to remember, back when Teg and Chris were tearing things up, and Evan was injured, that the feeling within Schumacher's group that EJ was "The One", who would surpass them all if he ever got over his injuries. Now you may be cynical enough to believe the that means "The One" who gets the best drugs, but if you are that far gone I have no idea why you would follow the sport anymore.

What we are seeing is the payoff of Evan and Jerry's faith in one another (rather than faith in "the technology" that gives them any huge advantage).

...Not that there's actually any "god"--but I do get your point.

dos santos64 wrote:

otherwise...rumors will come up

The health of coach and project director Alberto Salazar has been in question since he suffered a heart attack at Nike's Beaverton campus on June 30, 2007. From that time, Salazar has been implanted with a defibrillator, and he has planned to take a more limited role with Nike Oregon Project. In June 2008, Salazar chose his tentative successor as head of the Oregon Project, hiring cross country coach Jerry Schumacher away from the University of Wisconsin–Madison. In turn, Schumacher has brought his top distance protégé, Matt Tegenkamp, with him to join the program along with Chris Solinsky and UW–Madison Freshman turned pro Evan Jager.

Is Tegenkamp Blood Doping?

Ok, can we clarify a few things

- "Blood doping" is the practice of increasing RBC content of the blood, in order to increase the blood's oxygen carrying capacity

- The "rich platelet" therapy that Teg said he took does not increase RBC content of anything

- So it is not blood doping. For convenience we might call this therapy "blood spinning"

- The stated goal of the therapy is to speed healing (recovery, if you like) in the area where the platelets are injected

- We are not sure if it actually works. Maybe

- We are not sure if there could be any systemic healing effect outside of the local injection area. Maybe

- It does not appear to involve adding performance enhancing substances to the blood. Certainly it creates an opportunity for those so inclined.

- Regardless, faster healing does not directly improve fitness. Faster healing allows more training per unit time

- Meaning he still has to train in order to gain better fitness and achieve better race performances

- For these reasons the practice is not blood doping, nor is it very similar to blood doping

- Right now it is a legal practice

How would you know? wrote:

We know about Mo wrote:

Interviews of Mo, Centro and Rupp man-crying in front of the camera. That is how we know.

I have no idea what you are trying to say, because it makes no sense as written. Centro man-crying? He would whup you and you would be the one crying, if you could still breathe.

I just wish roid chacne centro would show up on my front porch. I'd put on some gloves (to keep off the pimple juice) and thump the skull of that cheating punkassbitch doper. You'd see some real crying from that midget guido.