7:55 SC >>>> 12:58 5000
And Rupp isn't in 12:58 shape.
7:55 SC >>>> 12:58 5000
And Rupp isn't in 12:58 shape.
Yes. Rupp can't even beat Ryan Hill or Ben True at 5000 meters these days.
I think the 3:32 made that pretty clear. The 8:00 makes it nearly certain. I hope Jager hopes in a 5k this year. If he medals this year and next year, it's time to move to 5k. He'll have basically accomplished everything there is to do at that distance.
Yes if it was a time trial-type race, no if it was tactical. Rupp would outkick him over 400 off a mid-13 pace or higher.
anacondarunner wrote:
Yes if it was a time trial-type race, no if it was tactical. Rupp would outkick him over 400 off a mid-13 pace or higher.
So Rupp could win a jogfest.
Let's talk about a race.
shizzy wrote:
I think the 3:32 made that pretty clear. The 8:00 makes it nearly certain. I hope Jager hopes in a 5k this year. If he medals this year and next year, it's time to move to 5k. He'll have basically accomplished everything there is to do at that distance.
Umm...if he wins GOLD this year and in Rio and breaks the world record, then he's accomplished everything there is to do in the distance.
I would say yes if he only ran 8:00
Since he ran 8:00 WHILE FALLING I will replace "yes" with "definitely."
Also I think it's possible Jager's kick is about to be a different thing. He's so strong now that he can run 3:32 off Jerry training. In the past his kick wasn't a factor because he wasn't strong enough to use his top speed as he had maxed himself out by the end of the race.
Guess what, it's 2015 now. He's way stronger and runs 3:32. I don't think judging his kick by past performances is the way to analyze how he will race from this point on.
It's just like how Galen used to "not have a kick." But it wasn't a matter of him not having the speed, it was a matter of not having the endurance to stay aerobic before the end of the race.
People aren't limited by their "kicks" as much as staying aerobic until the end of the race.
Evan is fast.
The question that needs to be asked is where is Jager in regards to his peak and where is Rupp? Could Jager have beaten Rupp (like he was at USAs) today at 5000, certainly, in both a fast or a slow race. Could Jager have beaten the Rupp that ran in London? Hard to know.....
The real question is could Jager take down Lagat's 12:53 NR?
Evan Jager ran 13:02.40 2 years ago. I don't know about clearly beating him, but Rupp would have had his hands full running a 5000m against Jager for quite some time now.
Rupp should be scratched from the WC 5000 and replaced by Jager
They should put him on the 1500 team too.
Bad Wigins wrote:
Rupp should be scratched from the WC 5000 and replaced by Jager
They should put him on the 1500 team too.
...and the HJ and the 4X400.
Now that Rupp realizes what Alberto has rubbed him with since he was 16, he will never be a sub-13 guy again.
For those of us that consider Lagat's "AR's" invalid because of the, um, Kenyan thing... I believe Solinsky's true AR of 12:55 could be in jeopardy if Jager decided to really go after it. I hope he does take a shot at the 5000 AR, but I don't see him focusing on that at least until after Worlds.
7:57. Evan was 1.9 seconds ahead- The winner was 7:58.83, & mad-sprinted the end. If he maintained the lead, then 7:56.93- But Jager's never shown that fast a sprint.
The 7:55 talk is ignorant. Watch how many seconds exactly to the decimal Evan was ahead when approaching the final barrier- then watch how fast Birech sprinted.
3:32, 7:57. Clearly sub 12:55 shape (and an outside chance at sub 12:53).
I really hope that he runs one, immediately after the WC.
There is a 5000 listed for Lausanne next Thursday and then a 3000 in Monaco the following week, so hopefully Rupp and Jager race them, I hope so anyway, Jager may be tired from today, so he may not want to run a 5000 on Thursday.
Hot weather he was pulling away before he fell and he probably would have run 7:56 today, if he gets in any better shape the 7:53.6 steeple record could be possible though difficult.
I am thinking
sub 7:55 for the Steeple
sub 7:30 for 3000
sub 12:55 for 5000
possible
He also ran 3:32.9 for 1500 in a low key meet, so maybe dip under 3:31 for 1500
I want to hear what Ventolin and others think? are the times I put down realistic? probable? possible?
Also could it just be he ran a career race today that won't be bettered?, or will he have a year like Solinsky did in 2010 then never come close to that form again? or is he here to stay? I know these questions can't be answered with certainty, but I want to hear opinions.
If Jager can continue with these performances he could be the best American born distance runner ever.
ttc wrote:
7:57. Evan was 1.9 seconds ahead- The winner was 7:58.83, & mad-sprinted the end. If he maintained the lead, then 7:56.93- But Jager's never shown that fast a sprint.
The 7:55 talk is ignorant. Watch how many seconds exactly to the decimal Evan was ahead when approaching the final barrier- then watch how fast Birech sprinted.
Except Jager was pulling away, before he fell.
No no he wasn't. I doubt he was going to even break 7:58 let alone the insane 7:55 that some people are projecting. Birech sprinted like crazy at the end there and Jager was probably going to beat him by a couple of tenths of a second.
Jager gapped Birech on the backstretch and got 10 meters. At the last barrier he still had a 10 meter lead, it was not growing.