Freshman transfer

with a near perfect GPA I hope you are smart enough to have spoken to your current coach and compliance office before coming to a message board.

Pretty sure he doesn't have to talk to compliance office if he only wants to know what options would theoretically be available. If he's not happy with the coaching they probably know by now

Go to Montana State

Go to a d-II. You won't have to sit out, even if you can't get a release.

I don't necessarily mind sitting out. If I can redshirt that year (while still on scholarship) I'm totally fine with doing a 5th year.

It is not theoretical since he wants to know who has scholarship money left. They only people who would know that answer are the coaches themselves. NCAA rules don't allow to recruit via message board, so coaches can't reply with that information.

What we have here is someone wanting to grab on to another branch before letting go of the branch he is currently on.

NCAA rules are clear, if a student or family wants to gather information about potentially (theoretically) transferring to another institution, they must FIRST gain permission from their current institution.

That requires being an adult, and speaking with head coach or compliance BEFORE asking around on message boards.

It would be like your wife going on dates behind your back to see if there is a better option.

If you were thinking transfer earlier this year, I'd have said to look Ivy--even though they don't have "athletic" scholarships.

The reason: the Ivies' need-based scholarship grants are outstanding and often leave a student and his/her family in a better financial position than would be the case if s/he got a full-tuition grant (most males won't, btw) by transferring to Quantum State. And your combination of high GPA and athletic talent would get you in to most of the League's schools (not Princeton--they don't accept transfers).

But it's the end of June. You might *still* have a chance at acceptance to an Ivy, I guess, but it would take a lot of string-pulling. My advice would be to inquire at all seven of the non-Princeton Ivies and ask whether there's a possibility, at this late date, at any of them.

But FIRST you'd still have to get a release from your current university, as pointed out above, before any of them could be allowed to talk with you about a transfer. Trust me, compliance offices do these releases all the time--it's very straightforward and routine (and the D1 coaches I've met are much better about this process than many people might guess).

Be aware, though: in most cases, the Ivy League only allows a total of four years' enrollment (from all schools), not five, for undergraduate competition; and there's no graduate-student eligibility in the League.

So IF--and I realize it's a big if--you really wanted to go Ivy, and you had no luck this summer, my realistic best advice would be to take a year off from school; apply to the Ivies of your choice during the regular transfer-admissions cycle, some months from now; and go to your new school with three years' NCAA eligibility remaining.

[As to what schools to look at: I remember seeing some fairly impressive middle-distance results from Cornell a while back (and I'm told they're perhaps the easiest Ivy to transfer into), but really all the League schools seem to be doing a pretty good job in the middle-distance events--great competition!]

And if the OP's a troll, well, maybe someone else will be helped by the info in this thread.

What state? Have you considered going to a JC and then transferring clean with your AA?

Not a troll, legitimately looking for advice here.

Thanks for all the info, will definitely look into it!

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Miami University in Ohio. They just got Willy Wood who coached Kyle Merber to the collegiate record in the 1500 a few years back. Wood knows what he's doing and this team is on the rise. Solid school academically with a top 20 business school in the country. Definitely worth a look.

If you really are a 3:45ish freshman who wants to transfer and have good grades then you know you have every option in the world.

Since only 9 freshman ran between 3:44-3:46, you are probably a troll.

Your best options are Stanford, Oregon, Ole Miss, Nova, Gtown, Penn St, Louisville, Arkansas, FSU, OK State, Oklahoma, Wisconsin, and I'm sure I am missing some other schools. One of these if not lots of these schools would have between 30-100% scholarship for you and have either a great team or coach.

FSU, Ole Miss, Oklahoma, and Louisville?….Big Nah

Oklahoma State. Dave Smith has done an incredible job with the middle distances over the last few years.

Oregon. Don't really need to write much about this, everyone on the message board rides them already... but probably not much $

Wisconsin. Best 1500 school in a good conference. It's a + if you run xc too.

Syracuse. They spend almost all their scholarship money on distance runners. Usually not interested in middle distance guys who can't run cross though. Really nice guys, too, who appear to know what they are doing.