Madly Winking Anus wrote:
The idiot you're responding to gave no examples of her supposed lying. This is because he can't. I don't know why people bother posting shit that eve they, as stupid people themselves, recognize as hopefully stupid.
1) She lied about when she got the Cytomel bottle.
2) She lied that Alberto thought she was fat before Boston.
3) She was misleading about Galen's Brussells AR.
4) She was misleading about the circumstances for her NOP departure.
And who knows what else.
1) She lied about when she got the Cytomel bottle.
- Alberto confirmed it was his handwriting. He has to because it is easy to confirm it was his.
2) She lied that Alberto thought she was fat before Boston.
- Not true. Salazar demanded she lose weight/fat. Have you ever look at the gauntness of Salazar stable?
3) She was misleading about Galen's Brussells AR.
- Not at all.
4) She was misleading about the circumstances for her NOP departure.
- Not at all.
Man Overboard wrote:
Well, I look forward to Kara's additional detail this week.
In the end this will probably end up as he said/ she said without resolution, but we shall see what concrete evidence Kara has, if any, to back up her statements.
This is just a reach. BUT. When i was watching that interview, I swear what i heard Kara saying when she said more will be told, her truth,etc, is that she is going to drop the bomb and disclose that she doped under Alberto.
I'm not kidding. Its like Alberto pushed back too hard and underestimated that Kara would go nuclear, despite what it would do to herself. Hope i'm wrong, but if not, you heard it here first.
PR-Drones Nose wrote:
1) She lied about when she got the Cytomel bottle.
- Alberto confirmed it was his handwriting. He has to because it is easy to confirm it was his.
I said she lied about WHEN she got the Cytomel bottle not from who.
All your other points are also inaccurate but I got to get some real work done now.
PR-Drones Nose wrote:
1) She lied about when she got the Cytomel bottle.
- Alberto confirmed it was his handwriting. He has to because it is easy to confirm it was his.
2) She lied that Alberto thought she was fat before Boston.
- Not true. Salazar demanded she lose weight/fat. Have you ever look at the gauntness of Salazar stable?
3) She was misleading about Galen's Brussells AR.
- Not at all.
4) She was misleading about the circumstances for her NOP departure.
- Not at all.
Adam can you give itba rest already? All of this hearsay is deafening. The real evidence speaks for itself.
Karas Nose wrote:
1) She lied about when she got the Cytomel bottle.
Please link to a source that establishes exactly when Alberto gave her this bottle.
Karas Nose wrote:
2) She lied that Alberto thought she was fat before Boston.
You can read Alberto's mind?
Salazar posts some e-mails that only someone already convinced of Alberto's rectitude would view of evidence of Alberto not encouraging her to lose weight during her 2011 Boston Marathon build-up.
Her nutritionist even said on March 25 of that year: "The plan is to work off [ ] every month. I believe based on how things are going, she will have another [ ] by Boston that will naturally come off." (The [ ]s represent redacted numbers.)
Salazar responds with "I don't want her shooting for something she can't hit." That's not the same as insisting that he's happy with her weight. I have overweight friends trying to slim down and I wouldn't want them being unrealistic about the pace at which they can do it. And this is the full extent of Salazar's supposed acceptance of Kara's size at the time.
At the very end of the exchange with the nutritionist he even adds, "she was [ ] the week before at Nike so she's plateaued a little." Why would a coach who was okay with her weight say such a thing? Hell, in his own bullet point in his "open letter" he states that "I fully supported Kara’s efforts and did not want her to lose weight more quickly (emphasis mine)"
The idea that Kara's weight was unquestionably a dead issue for Salazar at the time resides only in the heads of people who cannot or refuse to read Salazar's own words.
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0248/8471/files/Exhibit_19.pdfKaras Nose wrote:
3) She was misleading about Galen's Brussells AR.
Misleading in what way? Did she lie and say he only ran 24 laps? Speculating that it was unlikely that an athlete who'd been feeling shitty could rebound fast enough to run as well as Rupp did in Belgium is not lying. At worst, it's being wrong.
Karas Nose wrote:
4) She was misleading about the circumstances for her NOP departure
In what way?
You should know by now how this works. When you make a factual claim that is in dispute, you make at least a token effort to support it with evidence.
So, you yourself are a liar, or ignorant in the extreme, or both.
KMB wrote:
Karas Nose wrote:1) She lied about when she got the Cytomel bottle.
Please link to a source that establishes exactly when Alberto gave her this bottle.
Karas Nose wrote:
2) She lied that Alberto thought she was fat before Boston.
You can read Alberto's mind?
Salazar posts some e-mails that only someone already convinced of Alberto's rectitude would view of evidence of Alberto not encouraging her to lose weight during her 2011 Boston Marathon build-up.
Her nutritionist even said on March 25 of that year: "The plan is to work off [ ] every month. I believe based on how things are going, she will have another [ ] by Boston that will naturally come off." (The [ ]s represent redacted numbers.)
Salazar responds with "I don't want her shooting for something she can't hit." That's not the same as insisting that he's happy with her weight. I have overweight friends trying to slim down and I wouldn't want them being unrealistic about the pace at which they can do it. And this is the full extent of Salazar's supposed acceptance of Kara's size at the time.
At the very end of the exchange with the nutritionist he even adds, "she was [ ] the week before at Nike so she's plateaued a little." Why would a coach who was okay with her weight say such a thing? Hell, in his own bullet point in his "open letter" he states that "I fully supported Kara’s efforts and did not want her to lose weight more quickly (emphasis mine)"
The idea that Kara's weight was unquestionably a dead issue for Salazar at the time resides only in the heads of people who cannot or refuse to read Salazar's own words.
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0248/8471/files/Exhibit_19.pdfKaras Nose wrote:
3) She was misleading about Galen's Brussells AR.
Misleading in what way? Did she lie and say he only ran 24 laps? Speculating that it was unlikely that an athlete who'd been feeling shitty could rebound fast enough to run as well as Rupp did in Belgium is not lying. At worst, it's being wrong.
Karas Nose wrote:
4) She was misleading about the circumstances for her NOP departure
In what way?
You should know by now how this works. When you make a factual claim that is in dispute, you make at least a token effort to support it with evidence.
So, you yourself are a liar, or ignorant in the extreme, or both.
In one sentence you claim one would have to "read salazars mind" to determine his intentions, and in the next you freely speak about Kara's intentions regarding brussels. Care to explain your motivation for the bias?
Even Kara has a higher IQ wrote:
I said she lied about WHEN she got the Cytomel bottle not from who.
No, she didn't, drone.
ya..... wrote:
Adam can you give itba rest already? All of this hearsay is deafening. The real evidence speaks for itself.
LOL ... I am not Adam, nor am I related to the Gouchers in any way, nor was I ever a teammate of either one.
Poor PR Drone. You people are at a complete loss. You don't know what to do, and Salazar's money is running out.
ya..... wrote:
Care to explain your motivation for the bias?
LOL ... another typical PR Drone move. Everyone is biased who is not a paying client.
PR-Drones Nose wrote:
ya..... wrote:Adam can you give itba rest already? All of this hearsay is deafening. The real evidence speaks for itself.
LOL ... I am not Adam, nor am I related to the Gouchers in any way, nor was I ever a teammate of either one.
Poor PR Drone. You people are at a complete loss. You don't know what to do, and Salazar's money is running out.
If you're not adam then why even reply to such an "absurd" claim. Strike a chord?
Post - it wrote:
Man Overboard wrote:Well, I look forward to Kara's additional detail this week.
In the end this will probably end up as he said/ she said without resolution, but we shall see what concrete evidence Kara has, if any, to back up her statements.
This is just a reach. BUT. When i was watching that interview, I swear what i heard Kara saying when she said more will be told, her truth,etc, is that she is going to drop the bomb and disclose that she doped under Alberto.
I'm not kidding. Its like Alberto pushed back too hard and underestimated that Kara would go nuclear, despite what it would do to herself. Hope i'm wrong, but if not, you heard it here first.
If "her truth" is that she doped, then so be it.
If she steps forward and said she doped and Alberto knew all about it then I will believe her at that point.
Up 'til now Kara has not said she has witnessed any doping in NOP.
Man Overboard wrote:
Up 'til now Kara has not said she has witnessed any doping in NOP.
Doping, as you think of it, is not necessary to permanently ban Salazar. You obviously know nothing about the WADA rules.
Karas Nose wrote:
For the record - Her body language in that video interview very strongly suggests to me that she is NOT lying."Body language" what bullshit. That means nothing. Facts are the measuring stick we use for her, and the facts point to her being misleading.
I see. Body language is something that completely mystifies you? So which of the following best describes you?
a) non-human
b) less than 3 years old
c) a liar
or
d) all of the above
ya..... wrote:
If you're not adam then why even reply to such an "absurd" claim. Strike a chord?
You can't stand it, can you. All the absurd claims claims come from the Freud PR worker-bees. Your team isn't used to losing, but this is one situation which you lost in epic fashion. Oh well, your boss (Matthew) can think of it as a learning experience, paid courtesy of Alberto Salazar.
ya..... wrote:
In one sentence you claim one would have to "read salazars mind" to determine his intentions, and in the next you freely speak about Kara's intentions regarding brussels. Care to explain your motivation for the bias?
The fact that this kind of nonsensical bullshit is apparently the only remaining weapon in the drones' arsenal is a very encouraging sign for Magness, the Gouchers and the rest of the good guys.
If drones were capable of experiencing emotions, they would be paralyzed with shame right now.
PR-Drones Nose wrote:
1) She lied about when she got the Cytomel bottle.
- Alberto confirmed it was his handwriting. He has to because it is easy to confirm it was his.
2) She lied that Alberto thought she was fat before Boston.
- Not true. Salazar demanded she lose weight/fat. Have you ever look at the gauntness of Salazar stable?
3) She was misleading about Galen's Brussells AR.
- Not at all.
4) She was misleading about the circumstances for her NOP departure.
- Not at all.
Other than her word, we don't currently have enough info on #1 and #2. She may have more information on the timing of the bottle, but as of now I think Salazar's documentation is better, but it could be selective and proved to be a completely different incident. Goucher will have her chance to present any additional information she has.
I do think she was misleading on #3, but I would put it in the same category as some of the back and forth on the employment letters/Runnerworld interview where Salazar and Magness are both presenting information, that doesn't mean much of anything, with a goal of supporting the rest of their claims.
Over 250 post and there is still no answer on who was threatened and by who. There are so many people posting like they know everything someone should be able to answer this.
Kara,
Have you ever taken an illegal performance enhancing drug? for example EPO?
Have you ever witnessed a NOP employee offer an illegal PED to a NOP runner?
Have you ever witnessed a NOP runner take an illegal PED, including Adam Goucher?
Please do not talk about asthma or thyroid medications anymore; this whole thing has become a painful embarrassment for the sport. More so than any allegation made to date....
Salazar, based on current information, is a driven dirtbag but not the mastermind of a "sophisticated illegal drugging operation". 16.08 in the 5k may do more damage to Kara's reputation than anything Alberto has said (especially given how many runners despise the man)...
Drone Tossed Overboard wrote:
Man Overboard wrote:Up 'til now Kara has not said she has witnessed any doping in NOP.
Doping, as you think of it, is not necessary to permanently ban Salazar. You obviously know nothing about the WADA rules.
I didn't say otherwise, but whatever part of "her truth" she's already told USADA 2 1/2 years ago hasn't resulted in so much as a slap on the wrist for Salazar, let alone a ban.