Posted about 30 minutes ago by David Epstein.
When is Salazar planning on coming out with a statement again?
Posted about 30 minutes ago by David Epstein.
When is Salazar planning on coming out with a statement again?
Crumbling castle wrote:
http://www.propublica.org/article/elite-runner-had-qualms-alberto-salazar-asthma-drug-performancePosted about 30 minutes ago by David Epstein.
When is Salazar planning on coming out with a statement again?
I love this. This is better than the Mel Gibson voicemails that were released daily. Keep the hits coming.
Fleshman, Goucher, Magness, all have been blasted on here by NOP fans for years, now seemingly for not falling in line lock-step. I can tell you I respect the former a lot more than the latter.
Wow.
I did not know she was so well acquainted with the gray area stuff of abusing TUEs and altitude tents, etc. I guess this is why she "knows where to find" PEDs, but has never used them.
If all of this is true and Alberto has this thyroid doctor and this asthma doctor, the state medical board needs to investigate these doctors.
In the past not a Fleshman fan, but if this were an honest account then kudos to her.
Most fascinating part is her explaining why everybody's on thyroid meds, and what Lananna had to say about that:
So I talked to my coach, Vin Lananna: I think my thyroid is suppressed. He said that could very well be it, you're not responding to the training anymore, you're tired all the time. And I was like people go to this doctor, Alberto knows about him and I'm thinking about reaching out. And this was the most embarrassing moment, but the really important turnaround for me: my coach looked at me and he goes: "Ya know, you could do that, and if you want to do that, it's your career, and I don't think there's necessarily anything illegal about it, but the reason why your thyroid is as messed up as it is because you're not resting enough, you're sleeping in an altitude tent, and you're training too hard. And you have to back off, you have to change those things, you have to take responsibility."
I think Fleshman has turned into more of a running model than a runner, so I have gotten more skeptical of her and the message she puts out there, but this seemed genuine to me.
Compelling piece and a great window into how the gray zone doping works.
It comes down to this: runners cannot train as hard as they want due to physical limitations, so we abuse the TUE system to train harder and harder.
How is using albuterol or advair or thyroid medicine to train beyond ones natural limitations any different from using Winstrol to do so?
It's doping.
From the latest article, Lauren Fleshman: After I got the medication, he [Salazar] explained to me that this is going to be great for you, so many athletes once they got on this, did so much better than they'd ever done before. And he described the ways that could happen: there's a glucocorticosteroid in [Advair], and there's a possibility that some of that could get systemically into your body and give you an advantage, and you can legally take it because you have asthma ... He encouraged me to push to be on the highest dose of it year round, which was something different than what the doctor had said.
One part of the article that matters:
"...I don't think there's necessarily anything illegal about it..."
I think we all agree there should be.
Even more interesting:
"...And you have to back off, you have to change those things, you have to take responsibility."
Canova and now maybe Lananna believe that for those with the talent taking drugs to do more work just for work's sake doesn't help. One of the first things I learned from Malmo back in the old TnF Media days was that you are training to get better not just trying to do more work with the idea that ALL WORK produces improvement.
Great argument against inhalers and their harmful side effects: "They kind of gave me bad breath"
Jeff Albertson wrote:
Great argument against inhalers and their harmful side effects: "They kind of gave me bad breath"
The headline should have been "Fleshman: Salazar gave me thrush"
It's also interesting to see the causal link she makes from the effects of the altitude tent to thyroid hormone.
I was unable to handle the training load that I'd been able to handle without any problem for the past few years. I wasn't resting at night; I was restless ... because of the altitude ... And I'd heard some of his athletes had seen this doctor and they had suppressed thyroids, and I knew these athletes slept in altitude tents too. And I was like, oh man, well maybe that's the problem, maybe my thyroid is messed up and maybe — instead of looking at it like the altitude tent messed up my thyroid — maybe it's something about my thyroid is insufficient to handle this altitude tent. You can see there's a different in that mentality, right? I felt like somehow I deserve to have some superhuman thyroid that can handle anything.
That's big ^^^.
Would love to know if anyone has any medical knowledge on the effect of altitude on the thyroid. If the two had any kind of relation, Alberto would probably have known, and could have potentially used it to get his athletes prescriptions.
That's a great article. I love how Lauren explains how she fell into the doping mindset. Every young aspiring runner should read this. At some point in their career they will meet a manipulative coach and they should be prepared to actively take a stand against them.
Big new data point wrote:
new data point wrote:It's also interesting to see the causal link she makes from the effects of the altitude tent to thyroid hormone.
That's big ^^^.
Would love to know if anyone has any medical knowledge on the effect of altitude on the thyroid. If the two had any kind of relation, Alberto would probably have known, and could have potentially used it to get his athletes prescriptions.
It certainly seems reasonable that going back and forth between extreme altitudes up to 16,000ft and sea level several times a day for months could mess with your body.
WADA should have banned altitude tents-rooms in 2006 when they thought they should be illegal. It is obvious that they can be abused, and can harm the health of an athlete. Those two are reason enough under the WADA rules for a ban.
The bends wrote:
WADA should have banned altitude tents-rooms in 2006 when they thought they should be illegal. It is obvious that they can be abused, and can harm the health of an athlete. Those two are reason enough under the WADA rules for a ban.
What is obvious about that?
A LetsRun thread with Lauren Fleshman as a subject, that is almost entirely positive about Lauren Fleshman.
This is HUGE!
Ever heard about the bends? The symptoms are occur with altitude changes.
http://www.faa.gov/pilots/safety/pilotsafetybrochures/media/dcs.pdf
http://www.avweb.com/news/aeromed/181939-1.html
http://www.emedicinehealth.com/decompression_syndromes_the_bends/article_em.htm
This shed more light on the NOP than all of the allegations leveled so far. I hope more athletes come forward and share their experiences and TUE/altitude tent abuse is reviewed heavily. Thank you Lauren Fleshman.
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