mary cain knew something

Yes indeed, Mary Cain knew something - that she was running lousy times and wanted to spend some time at home.

And get this, she went home just as the school year ended. Another coincidence?!?! I think not.

Testing them at any time right now wouldn't be an issue. They've known about this story for a month. If they were doing anything illegal, chances are they are incredibly clean right now. Right?

Of course she knew something.

David Epstein contacted NOP coaches and athletes (including Salazar, Rupp and Farah) with what he'd found and to try to get them on record about it.

Any more silly questions?

Rupp obviously knew something as well. In his post race interview he was very quick and defensive when LR started asking questions. He was probably afraid they had insider information to the article/documentary.

Well it could be a coincidence. People have in fact gone home for reasons other than to escape a PED scandal (does that work as a strat for escaping a PED scandal?)

This type of thing is not evidence for or against so why pretend that it is something significant? I find it frustrating that that now that an accusation is made, every behavior or result from the last 5 years is being viewed as strong evidence of something. When we do this, we don't get closer to the truth and I want the truth to come out. If Salazar is guilty I want him out, any guilty athletes out, and the sport cleaned up. If not, I don't want anyone unfairly accused and USA running further humiliated.

Here are some things that are not evidence of taking PEDS:

Running a hard workout after a race. Running a good time when many others have run such a time before. Being a teenager who leaves a training camp to spend some time at home. Being an American who wins a medal. Having a period of good results followed by some bad ones. Having a period of bad results followed by good ones, if the good ones have been achieved by others many times. Anything you say on Twitter other than admitting you used PEDs.

No, unfortunately, he didn't attempt to get input from all relevant people.

LRC Board Rat wrote:

Rupp obviously knew something as well. In his post race interview he was very quick and defensive when LR started asking questions. He was probably afraid they had insider information to the article/documentary.

I don't know, Rupp has acted like this in the past with the Brojos. He just doesn't like them, it's no secret.

Cain's pop is a doctor, ya think he doesn't know anything? Hello earthlings.

crazy idea wrote:

And get this, she went home just as the school year ended. Another coincidence?!?! I think not.

Good point!

I also find it deeply suspicious that her initials are M. C. Those are the EXACT same initials as Mister Clyde.

Coincidence? GTFOH!!!

NOP was told a month in advance that this was coming out. So yes, she knew.

hv hqohv wrote:

No, unfortunately, he didn't attempt to get input from all relevant people.

You don't know much about how this works, do you?

NOP athletes have known about this for a long time. So they've been off their dope. And that's why MC has run badly and put on weight.

Sherlock wrote:

NOP athletes have known about this for a long time. So they've been off their dope. And that's why MC has run badly and put on weight.

Apparently you have never been around college freshman women enough to hear how many of them talk about putting on the "freshman 15" and then getting adjusted to college life and dropping that weight back off.

Doing a medium-hard workout after a race has been a staple for decades in Oregon and any other place with a coach influenced by Bowerman and/or Dellinger. This is used more so in the indoor season, when the big races are coming in the spring. Ever notice how great your legs feel an hour or so after a race? It's because your warmed up. When you're using a hard/easy type program, why make your hard day just one race? The benefits of doing that extra workout are huge. When you're fitness level is high it's not surprising these professionals can do incredible workouts after a race. Give your head a shake. This has nothing to do with doping.

I think you are being a bit selective. Centro had a really good result, Rupp was pretty good and Farrah beat top guys in a good time. Others did not do as well.

Sherlock wrote:

NOP athletes have known about this for a long time. So they've been off their dope. And that's why MC has run badly and put on weight.

Possibility 1: Somebody didn't want to see her caught up in this mess and tipped her and/or her parents off as to what was about to go down. Possibility 2: Her times were dropping off and AlSal offered her something to help remedy that. She decided that going that route wasn't for her, and bailed. My guess it is the former. Either way I hate to see a young kid get caught up in something like this. Glad she's out, and I hope she's able to return to form. As for Al, you play with fire you get burned. I will say however there is no way to run at a truly world class level and do it clean. No different than cycling. Drugs made the performance ceiling high and only drugs will get you there.

Good Pointer wrote:

crazy idea wrote:

And get this, she went home just as the school year ended. Another coincidence?!?! I think not.

Good point!

I also find it deeply suspicious that her initials are M. C. Those are the EXACT same initials as Mister Clyde.

Coincidence? GTFOH!!!

and her middle name is Celeste

I also think that if Cain were using PEDS her times would be better. It is almost like she is AS's control group this year in his big PED experiment.