Offiical 2015 NCAA Regionals Weekend Live Discussion Thread: Who are the biggest surprises and flops?

Thanks for starting the thread. We changed the title to make it official.

Mascari from Indiana state, 8th in XC, not making it in the 10k.

Air Force Hannah Everson won the west 10k and alex amekwah (not sure how to spell name) from alabama (the guy who won SEC in the 800) failed to qualify

Why isn't my thread, started at the end of competition last night, the official one? That actually has some content to it. Track isn't all about "surprises and flops."

Why did New Mexico kid get DQ from men's 10k?

jjjjjj wrote:

Why isn't my thread, started at the end of competition last night, the official one? That actually has some content to it. Track isn't all about "surprises and flops."

Get over yourself. This is a different thread subject. Your thread can exist beside it.

Anyway one flop was Moussa at 10k. He was 5th at cross and won Pac12 10k. Maybe he will fare better over 5k, I hope he does.

OK. Here's a little analysis of the men's 10k in the West. Except for Kemoy Campbell's DNF which is discussed here -

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=6525250

- it went VERY much according to form.

7 of the top 8 advanced (Kemoy DNF) and the other qualifiers were Colorado's Pierce Murphy (#11), Oregon's Cheserek and Jenkins (TOTALLY expected). and Wisco's Malachy Schrobilgen (#30 seed but a stud) and BYU's Spencer Gardner (41st seed).

So the only true surprise was Gardner, who has a 14:10 pb for 5k. But it makes sense that the big susprise advancer making it was Gardner who was a state champion in HS in 2007 as he's probably at least 25 years of age.

1 Jason Witt SR BYU 27:54.25 Q

2 Marc Scott SO Tulsa 28:30.33 Q

3 Craig Lutz SR Texas 28:33.48 Q

4 Futsum Zienasellassie JR No. Arizona 28:35.76 Q

5 Matt McElroy SR No. Arizona 28:36.53 Q

6 Nate Jewkes SR Southern Utah 28:43.18 Q

7 Kemoy Campbell SR Arkansas 28:45.84 DNF

8 Scott Fauble SR Portland 28:50.44 Q

9 Garrett Sweatt SO Stanford 28:51.56

10 Tim Rackers JR Tulsa 28:52.57

11 Pierce Murphy JR Colorado 28:52.70 Q

12 Hayden Hawks JR Southern Utah 28:53.12

13 Tyler King JR Washington 28:59.37

14 Kevin Lewis SR Iowa 28:59.62

15 Edward Cheserek SO Oregon 29:04.06 Q

16 Eric Jenkins SR Oregon 29:04.08 Q

17 Jannis Topfer SR Illinois 29:06.82

18 Jose Madera SR San Francisco 29:07.75

19 Mark Pinales SR Texas 29:08.93

20 Travis Neuman FR Oregon 29:09.39

21 Austin Wells SO Texas A&M 29:09.88

22 Matthew Melancon JR Oregon 29:10.38

23 Timo Goehler SR Portland 29:10.72

24 Bryan Guijarro JR UC Santa Barbara 29:11.20

25 Tyler Byrne SR No. Arizona 29:11.44

26 Connor McMillan FR BYU 29:13.87

27 Eduardo Rodriguez SR Texas 29:15.43

28 Ben Larson SR Colorado St. 29:16.74

29 Ryan Dohner SR Texas 29:18.56

30 Malachy Schrobilgen SO Wisconsin 29:19.55 Q

31 Brady Johnson SO Wichita State 29:21.39

32 Dallin Farnsworth FR BYU 29:25.64

33 Abbabiya Simbassa SR Oklahoma 29:28.10

34 Brian Gohlke JR Okla State 29:28.11

35 Conner Peloquin SR BYU 29:31.03

36 Julian Florez SO New Mexico 29:33.71

37 Charles Mathenge JR Steph F. Austin 29:34.18

38 Ammar Moussa JR Colorado 29:34.28

39 James Wilson SR Kansas 29:35.99

40 John Whelan SO Wash State 29:43.41

41 Spencer Gardner SR BYU 29:44.52 Q

42 Brogan Austin SR Drake 29:45.17

43 Lane Werley JR UCLA 29:45.34

44 Eric Graf SO Oklahoma 29:46.74

45 Kyle Eller SO Air Force 29:49.83

46 Jason Lynch JR Utah Valley 29:51.88

47 Ryan Miller SR Texas A&M 29:51.94

48 Alex Dillard SO Portland 29:52.01

We'll analyze the other results in a few minutes.

Looking at the top seed's in the West women's 10k, nothing shocking but a l ittle more interesting than the men's sdie. 7 of the top 8 entrants advanced with the only non qualifier in the top 8 being San Francisco's Jana Soethout.

Kudos to Hannah Everson of Air Force for qualifying as the #37 seed.

1 Dominique Scott JR Arkansas 32:11.60 Q

2 Emma Bates SR Boise State 32:13.28 Q

3 Alice Wright FR New Mexico 32:56.33 Q

4 Elvin Kibet SR Arizona 32:57.00 Q

5 Katy Moen SR Iowa State 33:09.63 Q

6 Jana Soethout SR San Francisco 33:30.30

7 Molly Grabill JR Oregon 33:33.20 Q

8 Hillary Montgomery SR Texas A&M 33:34.58 Q

9 Megan Siebert SR Texas 33:37.89

10 Jessica Mildes JR Gonzaga 33:40.82

11 Kaitlyn Fischer SO Missouri 33:43.05

12 Kaylee Flanagan SO Washington 33:43.26

13 Maggie Schmaedick SO Oregon 33:46.14

14 Kristina Aubert SR Arizona 33:47.66

15 Holly Page SR Wyoming 33:49.66

16 Annika Gomell SR Saint Louis 33:54.72

17 Diane Robison SR Arkansas 33:55.12 Q

18 Carrie Jube JR BYU 33:56.87

19 Rebekah Winterton SR Utah 33:57.31

20 Cali Roper SO Rice 34:01.75

21 Bronte Golick SR UCLA 34:03.41 Q

22 Waverly Neer SR Oregon 34:03.59 Q

23 CharLee Linton JR Wash State 34:03.69

24 Karis Jochen SO Texas A&M 34:06.03

25 Anna Peer SO Nebraska 34:10.58

26 Kelsey Smith SR UCLA 34:12.82

27 Amber Eichkorn JR South Dakota 34:12.98 Q

28 Abigail Levene SR Colorado 34:15.20

29 Gabi Anzalone SR Wisconsin 34:16.21

30 Kristen Busch JR Bradley 34:17.84

31 Grace Fletcher SR Texas A&M 34:19.99

32 Kelsey Hildreth FR No. Illinois 34:21.42

33 Daniella Moreno SR UC Santa Barbara 34:23.18

34 Annie Kelly FR Colorado 34:23.60

35 Elena Arriaza SO Oklahoma 34:23.93

36 Caitlin Busch JR Bradley 34:30.78

37 Hannah Everson JR Air Force 34:31.48 Q

38 Grace Graham-Zamudio SR Loyola Marymount 34:32.06

39 Heleene Tambet SO New Mexico 34:32.68

40 Grace Meurer SO Wisconsin 34:35.78

41 Camelia Mayfield SR Portland State 34:35.88

42 Sarah Reiter SO E. Washington 34:38.42

43 Mackenzie Caldwell FR Colorado 34:39.01

44 Laura Galvan SR Kansas State 34:43.46

45 Andrea Ostenso FR Northwestern 34:46.88

46 Isabel Liebfreid SR Saint Louis 34:47.49

47 Jamie Shannon FR Wisconsin 34:49.55

48 Rachael Rudel SO Colorado St. 34:54.16

Looking at the East women's 10k, there were a couple of casualities seeded in the top 5 as Cornell's Caroline Kellner and George Mason's Bethany Sachtleben didn't make it.

But if you take a look at it, them not advancing isn't that stunning.

Two of three women not ranked in the top 15 who advanced are simply better runners than Kellner (16:23 5k pb) and Sachleben (16:21 5k pb) based on 5k pbs as one was Butler's Mara Olson (1547 5k pb) and the other Providence's Laura Nagel (1542 5k pb).

The big kudos go to Davidson's Lauren Osment (16:32 5k pb) who advanced as the #28 seed.

1 Chelsea Blaase SO Tennessee 32:28.39 Q

2 Margo Malone JR Syracuse 32:29.89 Q

3 Joanna Thompson SR NC State 33:07.27 Q

4 Caroline Kellner JR Cornell 33:32.07

5 Bethany Sachtleben SR George Mason 33:32.53

6 Molly Seidel JR Notre Dame 33:39.70 Q

7 Katie Gillespie SR West Virginia 33:45.56 Q

8 Sinead Haughey SR Furman 33:53.34 Q

9 Melanie Brender SR Michigan State 33:53.49

10 Amanda Behnke SO Indiana 33:59.60 Q

11 Alexis Wiersma SO Michigan State 34:00.23

12 Emily Stites JR William and Mary 34:03.43 Q

13 Abbey Kelto SR Cen Michigan 34:06.81

14 Megan Curham SO Princeton 34:07.08 Q

15 Maura Linde JR Syracuse 34:12.00

16 Jessie Petersen SR Syracuse 34:18.63

17 Michelle Gaye JR Marist 34:20.07

18 Brooke Tullis JR Toledo 34:21.19

19 Tristin Van Ord SO Appalachian St 34:23.08

20 Dylan Hassett SR William and Mary 34:26.95

21 Mara Olson SR Butler 34:27.01 Q

22 Sakiko Minagawa JR Ohio State 34:27.31

23 Emily Durgin SO Connecticut 34:30.49

24 Laura Nagel SR Providence 34:33.15 Q

25 Letitia Saayman SR Coastal Carolina 34:33.85

26 Gina Sereno SO Michigan 34:34.75

27 Minori Minagawa JR Ohio State 34:34.82

28 Erin Osment SR Davidson 34:36.74 Q

29 Ednah Kurgat FR Liberty 34:38.75

30 Madeline Perez FR Georgetown 34:39.71

31 Claudia Pham SR Dartmouth 34:40.55

32 Kathleen Darling JR Wake Forest 34:42.32

33 Katie Townsend SR Georgia Tech 34:43.47

34 Jessie Rubin SR Duke 34:44.09

35 Shaylyn Tuite JR Syracuse 34:44.12

36 Eden Meyer FR North Florida 34:47.11

37 Melissa Fairey SO Georgia Tech 34:48.56

38 Sarah Rapp SR Virginia Tech 34:48.96

39 Elizabeth Hutchins SR Sacred Heart 34:51.29

40 Courtney Smith FR Harvard 34:53.67

41 Lauren Brasure FR Florida 34:55.05

42 Mary Alex England SO Mississippi 34:56.46

43 Sarah Fakler SO Virginia 34:58.09

44 Kelly Meyer JR Georgia Tech 34:58.38

45 Nicole Lucas SR Indiana State 35:00.00

46 Cassandra Vince SO Toledo 35:00.00

47 Olivia Pratt SO Butler 35:02.59

48 Whitney Thornburg SR Harvard 35:04.25

Hoosier Guy wrote:

Mascari from Indiana state, 8th in XC, not making it in the 10k.

The men's East region was all over the place as the #2, #4, #6, #7 seeds didn't make it.

That being said, the guys that made it seeded is #30 or lower however all had something going for them.

#30 Sam Pons - Princeton - Ran in the 8:50 in HS.

#40 Ernest Kibet - Louisville - All American in XC.

#43 Max Straneva - Syracuse - Just missed all -american in XC.

1 Martin Hehir SR Syracuse 28:27.70 Q

2 John Mascari JR Indiana State 28:38.22

3 Dan Lennon JR Syracuse 28:46.21 Q

4 Reed Kamyszek SR Syracuse 28:49.53

5 Matt McClintock JR Purdue 28:54.77 Q

6 Evan Esselink SR Indiana 28:55.98

7 Kieran Clements JR Iona 28:57.57

8 Jonathan Green FR Georgetown 29:06.52 Q

9 Zach Herriott SO Virginia 29:08.17

10 Brandon Lord SR Georgia 29:09.46 Q

11 Amos Kosgey JR E. Kentucky 29:10.87

12 Gilbert Kirui FR Iona 29:16.21

13 John Raneri SR North Carolina 29:16.23

14 Tanner Hinkle SO Furman 29:16.77

15 Jake Kildoo SR Notre Dame 29:18.30

16 Tait Rutherford JR Columbia 29:19.17

17 Lawrence Kipkoech FR Campbell 29:20.11 Q

18 Ty McCormack SR Auburn 29:21.39

19 Andrew Kowalsky JR Iona 29:21.49

20 Morsi Rayyan SR Michigan 29:22.15

21 Amon Terer JR Campbell 29:22.59

22 Damian Roszko SR Miss State 29:25.35

23 Ryan Mahalsky SR Lehigh 29:27.35 Q

24 Alex Wilson SR Michigan State 29:27.69

25 Brian Masterson JR Dartmouth 29:28.54

26 Glen Burkhardt JR Penn State 29:31.42 Q

27 Mark Beams SR Michigan 29:32.44

28 Jimmy Clark JR Florida 29:33.40

29 Philo Germano FR Syracuse 29:35.75

30 Sam Pons SR Princeton 29:35.78 Q

31 Warren Witchell SR E. Michigan 29:36.19

32 Eddie Garcia JR Florida 29:36.26

33 Ben Carruthers SR Michigan State 29:36.90

34 Luke Baker SR Georgia 29:36.95

35 Joseph Stewart JR Miami (Ohio) 29:38.30

36 Kevyn Hoyos JR Syracuse 29:38.69

37 Matt McDonald SR Princeton 29:38.76

38 Chase Weaverling FR Virginia 29:39.30

39 Griffin Jaworski SR Auburn 29:39.61

40 Ernest Kibet SO Louisville 29:40.19 Q

41 Paddy Grandinali JR High Point 29:40.93

42 Lucas Stalnaker SO Navy 29:42.60

43 Max Straneva SR Syracuse 29:45.85 Q

44 Ben Eversole SR Columbia 29:47.37

45 Brendan Shearn SO Penn 29:47.99

46 Bryce Stroede FR Oakland 29:48.27

47 Michael Conway SR George Mason 29:48.37

48 Endalow Takele SO W. Kentucky 29:50.54

Correct. Alex Amankwah was the #4 seed in the NCAA at 1:45.91.

If you care about sprints, flotrack has a good summary of some of the surprises there here:

jjjjjj wrote:

Why isn't my thread, started at the end of competition last night, the official one? That actually has some content to it. Track isn't all about "surprises and flops."

Dude, I'm sorry. I was exhausted from my afternoon tennis match (jokes please). Went to bed early. If you post the link to the thread, I'll see if I can't merge the two threads if their is good inight into it.

Oregon and Syracuse sending 4 runners to nationals in the 10k. 3 for Arizona. 2 BYU and Arizona athletes as well

In terms of the 1500s, here are you casualties. The following people seeded in the top 10 didn't move on from day 1 (there is another round).

West Region Women

#6 Rebecca Mehra SO Stanford 4:17.67 - DNS

#7 Sarah Feeny FR Utah 4:18.24 - didn't qualify

West Region Men -

All of top 10 moved on.

East Region Women

All of the top 10 moved on

East Region Men

#6 Mike Marsella SO Virginia 3:41.35 - didn't qualify

# 7 Simon Holden SO Wake Forest 3:41.92 - didn't qualify

#9 Sean Tobin SO Mississippi 3:42.17 - didn't qualify

It's also worth noting that #15 seed Sam Mcentee who ran 3:36 at the famous Swarthmore meet as a freshman failed to make it to the NCAA finals for the 2nd straight year.

Who would have thought that a guy who ran 3:36 as frosh would onliy score 2 point s at NCAA outdoors in his career (7th as soph)?

mw guy21465 wrote:

alex amekwah (not sure how to spell name) from alabama (the guy who won SEC in the 800) failed to qualify

Here are the people seeded in the top 10 in the men's and women's 800 who didn't make it past day 1 of regionals.

West Regional Women - None all Advanced

East Regional Women -

#5 Elizabeth Whelan JR North Carolina 2:03.76 (did not start)

West Regional Men

#6 Ricky Faure FR Wyoming 1:47.59 - DNQ

#8 Luke Lefebure SR Stanford 1:47.73 - DNQ

East Regional Men

# 3 Alex Amankwah SR Alabama 1:45.91 - DNQ

If Okolo didn't start the race then she is disqualified from all other races through NCAA finals, including relays.

LetsRun.com wrote:

Hoosier Guy wrote:

Mascari from Indiana state, 8th in XC, not making it in the 10k.

The men's East region was all over the place as the #2, #4, #6, #7 seeds didn't make it.

That being said, the guys that made it seeded is #30 or lower however all had something going for them.

#30 Sam Pons - Princeton - Ran in the 8:50 in HS.

#40 Ernest Kibet - Louisville - All American in XC.

#43 Max Straneva - Syracuse - Just missed all -american in XC.

I'm pleasantly surprised that Pons finished as high as he did. He had a strong start in the XC season where I felt he was a contender for the Heps XC individual title. He has yet to win an individual conference title but he managed to get a spot on the podium behind other strong Ivy runners like Awad (Penn), King (Dartmouth), and his teammate McDonald. I'm surprised no other Ivies made the 10k cut, but glad Pons turned out a solid race to make it.

Was anyone in Jacksonville yesterday when the 10k were underway? I was curious on the racetime weather conditions.

Men's 10K East vs. West using the Big Ten as a proxy.

1 Schrobilgen, Malachy SO Wisconsin 29:19.55 12W

2 McClintock, Matt JR Purdue 29:20.14 1E

3 Topfer, Jannis SR Illinois 29:30.36 14W

4 Burkhardt, Glen JR Penn State 29:31.42 8E

5 Lewis, Kevin SR Iowa 29:36.42 28W

6 Fischer, Matt SR Penn State 29:51.69 DNC

7 Rhynard, Caleb JR Michigan St. 29:51.73 DNC

8 Rayyan, Morsi SR Michigan 29:58.28 10E

9 Beams, Mark SR Michigan 30:09.92 20E

10 Wilson, Alex SR Michigan St. 30:14.45 15E

11 Anderson, Ben SO Iowa 30:18.94 DNC

12 Zutz, Adam JR Minnesota 30:21.39 DNC

13 Esselink, Evan SR Indiana 30:22.52 18E

14 McDonnell, Brendan SR Illinois 30:26.72 DNC

15 Taneff, Blake JR Ohio State 30:28.13 DNC

16 Smoragiewicz, Tony SO Michigan 30:32.49 DNC

17 Carruthers, Ben SR Michigan St. 30:44.86 26E

18 VanVoorhis, Michael SR Wisconsin 30:52.23 DNC

19 Pappas, August JR Michigan 31:07.00 DNC

20 Witt, Ben SR Iowa 31:40.71 DNC

ladedah wrote:

Was anyone in Jacksonville yesterday when the 10k were underway? I was curious on the racetime weather conditions.

I texted a buddy who was at the meet. It was about as good as one could hope for Florida. Here's what they wrote.

"Weather was great. 75. Could've been worse."