Why does everybody hate MDs???

Oh I thought you meant McDonalds.

Economic jealousy, like you said. Docs tend to live in gated communities and drive Teslas to work.

I've never met people who hate doctors.

Shouldn't the nurse be making $100K then (1/3 of $300K)?

ratiodude wrote:

Shouldn't the nurse be making $100K then (1/3 of $300K)?

Hell, no. For what nurses do they are paid more than enough. For a 4 year degee that teaches soft science no nurse should ever make over 65k. Plus all doctors don't make 300k, primary care makes low 200ks

Idk if cap at 65K- but I agree, nurses make good money for only needing a 4 year degree that does not have rigorous coursework. Nurses will admit they fully utilize google all the time.

Doctors salaries really aren't THAT high. If a doctor makes 250K, he loses approximately half of that in taxes. Take home is 125K, add on 4 years of medical school debt, they're probably sitting over 150K in debt just for medical school, who knows how much undergraduate debt they have. Then add on all the other normal life bills. Sure later in life they will have some nice take home cash, but in the meantime until they're over 40 they're not exactly filthy rich like everyone perceives them to be.

the only nurses who should even approach a 6 figure salary are RN's who work the night shift

There are some scammy MDs that do the least work possible and milk insurance payouts for excess scripts and tests. These are not the norm at all, but worthy of loathing.

Most docs I know aren't real enviable. Unless daddy paid for all their schooling, they usually live a pretty tight middle class existence until they are between 40 and 50, when they have seniority or an established private practice, and have paid of their absurd bills. Even then, insurance keeps all but the most business-savvy MDs from becoming truly wealthy.

Who the hell pays half their salary in taxes?

A salary of 250k, you will probably pay about 1/3rd of that in taxes and take home 165k. If they have 200k in school loans, they don't have to pay that all at once, so about 15k a year in repaying loans will put them at 150k to live off of. Unless they own their own practice, the hospital covers malpractice premiums. There is a reason really bright kids still go into medicine, they see if they do the math right they can still make a lot of money.

A lot of comments I hear from the general public are related to the fact that the nurse appears to be "doing all the work" from the perspective of the average patient. In their mind, the doctor just blows in twice per day while the nurse runs around responding to alarms, administering meds, etc. Of course, this makes about as much sense as thinking that the chef in a restaurant isn't doing anything because you never see him while the waiter stops by constantly.

half??? wrote:

Who the hell pays half their salary in taxes?

Canada

I've never seen a GP who knew more than I did about sports injuries. It's always the radiologist who makes the call.

A few specialists have, but their knowledge was trivial because the only treatments they could offer were useless, i.e. ICE and/or surgery.

OP what do you do at the hospital?

Bad Wigins wrote:

I've never seen a GP who knew more than I did about sports injuries. It's always the radiologist who makes the call.

A few specialists have, but their knowledge was trivial because the only treatments they could offer were useless, i.e. ICE and/or surgery.

I hope you never get cancer. You'll be damn glad for a good oncologist. And since when is surgical knowledge "trivial?"

There are many levels of nurses. Try working as an RN in the ICU then tell me they shouldn't make more than 65k.

Doctor of Osteopathy wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

I've never seen a GP who knew more than I did about sports injuries. It's always the radiologist who makes the call.

A few specialists have, but their knowledge was trivial because the only treatments they could offer were useless, i.e. ICE and/or surgery.

I hope you never get cancer. You'll be damn glad for a good oncologist. And since when is surgical knowledge "trivial?"

What sports injuries involve cancer you moron?

I have very mixed feelings toward them. I don't want to be one; it's not the career for me. The truth is that the quality of modern medical training is poor and many doctors are simply terrible at what they do, yet are tremendously arrogant and preoccupied with status. A typical "family" doctor can't diagnose a hole in your head. One specialty, psychiatry, is 90% outright pseudoscience. I have the greatest respect for ER doctors and radiologists. What we need is to abolosh physician licensure so that alternative forms of provider training can emerge and supplant the current government-mandated path to becoming a physician, which mass-produces incompetents.

I also work in a hospital as a RN and I would say that most of the people working in the hospital do not hate MD's. Dr's are no different than anyone else. There are good ones and bad ones so of course many people dislike the bad ones.

As a RN myself, I'm willing to admit that I make a ridiculous amount of money for my training. If I work 3 days a week all year I make 88k. I went to a junior college that cost me about 5k from start to finish and I did the absolute minimum needed to get through school. I don't think a nurse needs to be making decisions about how much the Dr's make. I work with lots of nurses and other people in the hospital, and its scary that many of them are allowed make a decision about anything.

I thought you meant Middle Distances, and the answer would be because they hurt so much.