hitting 3:10

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You will get it if you don't worry about splits. Let it happen. Leave gas in the tank for the last push.

Ok so what exactly do u mean. Stay with the 3:10 pacer our do my own thing?

start out easy, run at a steady effort that you feel like you could easily hold for hours

you want to feel "ok" still by 30 kms

then when it starts to get uncomfortable and hard, woosa those negative vibes and keep hammering out the kms

by the time you're inside the last 20 mins you will feel super shitty but use whatever mind games you have and don't let yourself reduce the effort

screw the pacer and don't check your watch too often

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....screw the pacer and don't check your watch too often

I agree almost with everything U advised, except the above part. Screwing the pacer could cost this athlete at least 30 seconds, at this put the 3:10 goal at negative risk.

I'm a little scared of staying w/ a 3:10 pacer for the entire marathon..I would be afraid of him running a 3:10:20 or something, missing my shot at Boston..

I think I should be able to run a 3:07-3:09... Should I go for it on my own?

Is there a 3:05 pacer?

You do know that you most likely will have to run something like 3:08:xx to actually qualify in the 3:10 bracket right?

Personally I would go out on 3:05 pace. You might have a great day and challenge 3:00. Seems like if you've run 3:08 pace for 20 miles without a major blowup you've earned the right to aim for that or faster.

Yea I'm well aware of having to get a 3:08 something to get in most likely... I think 3:05 is a little ballsy.. Last yr I went for sub 3 in my debut marathon and ran a 3:20...

I guess it's really hard to know what is appropriate pace when it comes to marathon..

By my 5k time and my Yasso's I should be a 3:02, but I'm not buying it..

I don't think there is a 3:05 pacer... hmmmm what to do, what to do...

Regardless you would say at least shoot for 7:10-7:13 pace?

Another question how accurate will my garmin forerunner be? How much should I rely on it race day..

I am actually friends with the guy who is pacing the second half of the 3:10 pace group, he should be spot on. I will be running with the 3:10 pace group as well as long as I can hang on, unfortunately I'm not sure it's in the cards for me Sunday.

I hear ya. Not sure it's in the cards for me either.. These taper wks really have me questioning my fitness.. I'm also doing Wineglass which was gonna be my only marathon this yr. but w/ a somewhat cold May I figured I'd give it a crack at Buffalo..

Good luck to you.

Shoot for 7:10 which will put you right on schedule for a BQ and getting in the race. You don't need the pace group to run a successful evenly paced marathon. Just be patient, once you find 7:10 pace learn the rhythm and your body will keep you there. If you hit a couple 7:00's or a 6:55 early on, don't freak out, it doesn't mean anything... Just get right back to 7:10 as quickly as possible. I bet you get to 20 fresh as a daisy.

Personally I don't like to wear a garmin during a marathon because the Inaccuracy of the splits throws me off. I find myself focusing on the "beep" and how far off it is from the mile mark, and I'd rather just focus on the race. I just wear a regular chrono watch and try to run on feel. I do wear a garmin during training though.

Good luck! Post results tomorrow.

if you want boston then why don't you stay with the 3:10 pace group and split from them at mile 18-20, pick up the pace by 10-15 seconds per mile and negative split it to the finish. the pace group will help you stay disciplined not to pick up the pace too early, but if you're feeling like you've got something left at mile 18-20 pick it up at that point and go for the 3:08. you'll feel great too if you finish this way. if you cant pick up the pace then just grit it in for the 3:10 and you'll still get your goal. that's what I'd do anyway.

Jessica

You have a better chance of going to Boston by running 3:09 and getting in because not that many people signed up than going out at 3:05 pace and hoping to hang on.

I ran 3:10 with a 1:27 PB, going for a sub-3 and blowing up. I ran 70 mpw and had more strength than you, probably. I had a 3:03-3:04 in me that day. I think you can get under 3:10 with a good day, but anything beyond that is going to be hard without a lot of miles in your legs.

Finally the Rock has come back to Buffalo! !!!!!!!!!

Yea I was pretty whooped after that 20 miler @7:10. Not sure I coulda hung on the last 10 k. That was with no taper and jus gettin off a long week of running. Plus workin the nite shift. I'm normally a 5ker. I jus wanna run boston would look nice on the resume hehe

I've Run 3 marathons trying to BQ over the last 19 months Got it on the 3rd. 3:18 then 3:08:36 (in but unlikely to get the bib), finally 3:03 2 weeks ago. My recommendation is to run w the 3:10 group through 18-20 then push for home. You can make up a lot of time in the last few miles if you haven't gone out too hard. As it sounds like you know if you run the first half under pace you'll blow up. The great thing about a pace group is you can relax for this boring miles from 13-20 and just try your best to zone out and let the bodies around you carry you. Then it's up to you to bring it home over the last 10k. Good luck!

Yes I've thought of doing that.. I'm just afraid I won't be able to make up any time regardless when I hit 20 miles ya know? Then again will I lose time if I go out to hard.. It's really a gamble...

So you say stay w/ the pacer til 18-20 miles?

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Yes I've thought of doing that.. I'm just afraid I won't be able to make up any time regardless when I hit 20 miles ya know? Then again will I lose time if I go out to hard.. It's really a gamble...

So you say stay w/ the pacer til 18-20 miles?

If you hang with the 3:10 pace group and cant push the pace even a few seconds faster after 20 miles then you definitely shouldn't go out any faster than that.

If you have done a lot of marathon-specific training, (marathon pace runs, lactate threshold runs, long runs), you can calculate a general finish time of HM time x 2 + 8 min. 3:10 should definitely be doable.