Some people would actually take Michael Jordan over Lebron James?

Scottie Pippen said that Lebron is better than Jordan. Nobody knows Jordan better than Pippen, so there you have it. Case closed.

Lebron > Jordan

Jordan played under less restrictive defensive rules so a comparison is tough. Lebron is a better distributor and more physically imposing, but Jordan shot equivalent percentages under those tougher defenses and without being able to bully his way into the lane in the same way.

Jordan had a great team? He willed his team to greatness. When he played the league was alot more physical then it is today, he got beat up nightly. They drafted a div 2 player in Pippen and he was able to take his game to a high level since Jordan was double and triple teamed. It also took Jordan 8 yrs to win a ring. The league had many super star's then. Take Jordan every night of the week and twice on Sunday.

Jordan had a great team? He willed his team to greatness. When he played the league was alot more physical then it is today, he got beat up nightly. They drafted a div 2 player in Pippen and he was able to take his game to a high level since Jordan was double and triple teamed. It also took Jordan 8 yrs to win a ring. The league had many super star's then. Take Jordan every night of the week and twice on Sunday.

This question was asked by ESPN/TNT but the question was framed as would you take MJ NOW vs LBJ NOW. 37% took MJ, even though I doubt MJ would take MJ right now.

People love what they love no matter what.

Scooter McTrollBait wrote:

This question was asked by ESPN/TNT but the question was framed as would you take MJ NOW vs LBJ NOW. 37% took MJ, even though I doubt MJ would take MJ right now.

People love what they love no matter what.

Clearly they didn't understand the choices or were trolling. No sane person in the world would take a 50+ year old over Lebron.

I take MJ in his prime over anyone to ever play basketball.

Bob Bakian wrote:

Scottie Pippen said that Lebron is better than Jordan. Nobody knows Jordan better than Pippen, so there you have it. Case closed.

Lebron > Jordan

Pippen has always been VERY tired of being Robin to Jordan's Batman. He clearly feels slighted regarding his role on those championship teams. Anything that downgrades Jordan a bit boosts Pippen's importance in his own eyes.

Try to think just a little bit before posting.

Meanwhile Rodman maintains that James couldn't hold Jordan's jockstrap.

Surprise! wrote:

Scooter McTrollBait wrote:

This question was asked by ESPN/TNT but the question was framed as would you take MJ NOW vs LBJ NOW. 37% took MJ, even though I doubt MJ would take MJ right now.

People love what they love no matter what.

Clearly they didn't understand the choices or were trolling. No sane person in the world would take a 50+ year old over Lebron.

I take MJ in his prime over anyone to ever play basketball.

This ^ is the correct answer.

And it really isn't close.

So LeBron won the big games with a crap team? Yeah Miami had NO supporting talent.

On sheer physical talent /basketball skills I would take Lebron, but on ruthlessness and will to win I would take Jordan. Lebron would never get on his own teammates to the extent Jordan did - verbally and physically. Jordan had a mental intimidation factor over his own team and opponents that Lebron lacks.

fjfjfjfjffj wrote:

So LeBron won the big games with a crap team? Yeah Miami had NO supporting talent.

Did the poster say a crap team? I thought he just said "no team". When Lebron played in Miami, Wade was past his prime and frequently injured. Bosh is not quite on the same level as prime-Wade. Pippen and Rodman were in their prime when Jordan was playing. Big difference in supporting cast.

Wilt Chamberlain in his prime. The strongest most athletic basketball player of all time. Give him a good team and clean rules and opponents will get annihilated. This is a guy who made Arnie in Conan the Barbarian look small. When he went up for rebounds he brought his massive arms down like Thor's hammer of Zeus' lightning. Shots in the paint are getting swatted. Only Stephen Curry out from 30 feet with Wilt far away is getting net. Wilt played when certain stats weren't kept. Racked up crazy numbers. Tossed cats around like rag dolls. Give him today's science and PEDs and the opposing players will be begging for bench time. Great track and field talent too. Unfortunately he never married or fathered kids as far as I know. No Wilt 2.0

Some true things being said in this thread. The league had some dirty players back in Jordan's day. I imagine that Jordan's bullying fiery intensity toward everyone was necessary for survival and health. Jordan's Bulls kind of sucked. They only started winning big when Phil Jackson (and Tex Winters) came along.

pto wrote:

fjfjfjfjffj wrote:

So LeBron won the big games with a crap team? Yeah Miami had NO supporting talent.

Did the poster say a crap team? I thought he just said "no team". When Lebron played in Miami, Wade was past his prime and frequently injured. Bosh is not quite on the same level as prime-Wade. Pippen and Rodman were in their prime when Jordan was playing. Big difference in supporting cast.

Oh you're right. Miami was no team at all.

Jimmy_Crackhorn wrote:

...Unfortunately he never married or fathered kids as far as I know. No Wilt 2.0

What's marriage got to do with it?

Do you mean to tell me that Wilt went 0 for 20,000? Good thing he wasn't a baseball player!

I am amazed by the physical talents of Lebron but grew up watching every Jordan game I could.

First, it's obvious that Jordan had much better competition during a time when players actually played team defense. Also, the superstars at this time all played extended college ball, therefore, had much better developed fundamental games.

Besides that Jordan had the it factor. During just about the entire 90's, if his team need him to score 50 he would score 50, if it was a last second shot he took it and led his team to victory. He transcended the game for a decade.

With the said I think Jordan changed the game for the worse. Everyone wanted to be the next Jordan and young talent started to become great scorers. The thing is Jordan was just as good defender as scorer.

Wait, wait, what? wrote:

Jimmy_Crackhorn wrote:

...Unfortunately he never married or fathered kids as far as I know. No Wilt 2.0

What's marriage got to do with it?

Do you mean to tell me that Wilt went 0 for 20,000? Good thing he wasn't a baseball player!

I feel you, but if there were a bunch of Big Dipper progeny around wouldn't the world know? Unless the mothers had such lousy genes that they canceled out the "second comings"

He mentioned in books that he liked all types of women including small ones but statistics would favor him knocking up either a tall lady or a nice heighted lady with recessive/tall parents/ancestry. Where is Wilt 2.0!?! Is like asking where is the lost city / civ of Atlantis

tntntntntnt wrote:

pto wrote:

Did the poster say a crap team? I thought he just said "no team". When Lebron played in Miami, Wade was past his prime and frequently injured. Bosh is not quite on the same level as prime-Wade. Pippen and Rodman were in their prime when Jordan was playing. Big difference in supporting cast.

Oh you're right. Miami was no team at all.

I'm right about what??? I never said Miami was no team at all.

Lebron James is a great player and a champion, but Michael Jordan was the most ruthless player the game has ever known. He was a killer offensively and defensively, and shot over .50 fg from the two guard. His Bulls' teams rated #1 of all time on 538's measure, and his 1995-96 team went 72-10. The Bulls with Jordan, Pippen, and Rodman held the most efficient offensive team in perhaps league history, the Utah Jazz, to 54 pts in a finals game. In an era with multitalented teams that were much deeper than any current team, the Bulls with three stars and some role players took down the Celtics, Pistons, Lakers, Suns, Sonics, and Jazz decisively. That Suns team had Kevin Johnson, Charles Barkley (playing incredible basketball at the time), Dan Majerle, and Jeff Hornacek, among others, as I recall. The Pistons had won two straight championships with the Celtics and Lakers still very strong. The Pistons had Isiah Thomas, Vinnie Johnson, the Microwave, Rodman, James Edwards(?), Joe Dumars, one of the Bruise Brothers, and on and on. That team was loaded. The Bulls took them down. And Jordan, Pippen, and Grant/Rodman were incredibly complementary players. Arguably no break in history, not even Showtime with Magic, Worthy, Coop, et al., was as good as getting steals or defensive rebounds and taking the rock straight to the hole and finishing.

The refs would not let people guard Jordan. The calls he got have never been replicated in the history of the game.

The talent of the bulls compared to the rest of the NBA at the time was very high. Pippen, Rodman, Horace Grant. They were super athletes.

Cleveland - Miami - Cleveland again - Lebron made all those teams great.

Jordan had to wait how many years before the Bulls had a great team to go to the finals. Lebron's teams have always been competitive as soon as even a very young fresh out of high school Lebron joined the team.

There is no comparison.

19 yr, old Lebron against 19yr. old Jordan. Who would you draft? The obvious choice would be Lebron.