Gatlin, 100 meter all time sprinters, and PEDs.

I'd also be willing to wager that 1990s guys Donovan Bailey, Bruny Surin, Leroy Burrell, Frankie Fredericks, Ato Boldon were on drugs and just around at the right time to not get caught. Who else is in the top 20? Carl Lewis? Busted. Mike Rodgers? Busted. Olusoji Fasuba of Nigeria? Not inclined to believe that one. Richard Thompson, who is running terrific times now that he's about to turn 30? Not buying that either. If Bolt is clean, he's probably the only guy to have ever run under 9.85 without cheating. That makes 9.58 even less believable. What's the actual human limit without cheating? 9.85 to 9.9?

It's laughable and denies plausibility.

Collin wrote:

I'd also be willing to wager that 1990s guys Donovan Bailey, Bruny Surin, Leroy Burrell, Frankie Fredericks, Ato Boldon were on drugs and just around at the right time to not get caught. Who else is in the top 20? Carl Lewis? Busted. Mike Rodgers? Busted. Olusoji Fasuba of Nigeria? Not inclined to believe that one. Richard Thompson, who is running terrific times now that he's about to turn 30? Not buying that either. If Bolt is clean, he's probably the only guy to have ever run under 9.85 without cheating. That makes 9.58 even less believable. What's the actual human limit without cheating? 9.85 to 9.9?

Collin wrote:

I'd also be willing to wager that 1990s guys Donovan Bailey, Bruny Surin, Leroy Burrell, Frankie Fredericks, Ato Boldon were on drugs and just around at the right time to not get caught. Who else is in the top 20? Carl Lewis? Busted.

Carl Lewis was caught for an amount of Pseudoephed so small it will be legal now, and even if it were larger, you could easily get a TUE for it. That's not really getting busted. Whether he was clean or dirty I don't know, but that doesn't count as busted in my book.

Also, was Nesta Carter really busted? I thought that was a different Carter.

I'm not a fan of Yohan, at all .. but as an example ..

Blake was suspended for 3 months by JADA for a bronchodilator that wasn't even on on WADA's banned list at the time. Does the OP really think a stimulant like that in 09 lowers (3 years later) a 9.9x runner to 9.69 and 19.26? Because that's a little bit insane. You have no way of knowing, whatsoever, what the fastest guys in the world might or might not run 'clean'.

Was Maurice "busted" or just accused?

Lastly, the fact that you've said every top guy didn't just dope, but as busted, stands in Bolt's favor. Not a single +ve test or even an accusation (other than Carl Lewis who, I love the guy but he never ran as fast as his mouth) by other athletes, coaches, etc.

Sense maker wrote:

Collin wrote:

I'd also be willing to wager that 1990s guys Donovan Bailey, Bruny Surin, Leroy Burrell, Frankie Fredericks, Ato Boldon were on drugs and just around at the right time to not get caught. Who else is in the top 20? Carl Lewis? Busted.

Carl Lewis was caught for an amount of Pseudoephed so small it will be legal now, and even if it were larger, you could easily get a TUE for it. That's not really getting busted. Whether he was clean or dirty I don't know, but that doesn't count as busted in my book.

Also, was Nesta Carter really busted? I thought that was a different Carter.

It honestly doesn't really matter that it's legal now. If someone somehow determined that HGH didn't help sprinters at all and it became legal, it wouldn't mean that people trying to get an advantage by taking it weren't cheating.

I'm not sure about the other Carter, but this is on Nesta:

I'm not sure what the followup on this was. Perhaps this article was mistaken? I'm not seeing much elsewhere.

wtfunny wrote:

I'm not a fan of Yohan, at all .. but as an example ..

Blake was suspended for 3 months by JADA for a bronchodilator that wasn't even on on WADA's banned list at the time. Does the OP really think a stimulant like that in 09 lowers (3 years later) a 9.9x runner to 9.69 and 19.26? Because that's a little bit insane. You have no way of knowing, whatsoever, what the fastest guys in the world might or might not run 'clean'.

Was Maurice "busted" or just accused?

Lastly, the fact that you've said every top guy didn't just dope, but as busted, stands in Bolt's favor. Not a single +ve test or even an accusation (other than Carl Lewis who, I love the guy but he never ran as fast as his mouth) by other athletes, coaches, etc.

Blake was suspended for taking something that was not yet on the list due to a technicality. He knew what he was doing. If he's willing to take stuff that is very obviously performance enhancing, he's probably doing more.

Maurice admitted to spending $10,000 of his own money on steroids. He just claimed it was for a friend.

I actually still have hope for Bolt's being clean. Perhaps he's just a rare genetic freak with long legs that's still capable of moving them quickly? I sincerely hope he is. It just seems crazy that everyone else near him is tied to drugs.

Enough said.

He might've known what he was doing, but that doesn't make him a cheat. It means he was taking something that was, at that time legal. By definition, that's NOT cheating. You just argued above that's what matters, not whether something becomes illegal (or legal) later on.

LOL .. that's awesome. I need friends like that. :)

He's definitely "a rare genetic freak with long legs that's still capable of moving them quickly".

He's just pumped....

If lance Armstrong taught me one thing. If you beat all the other convicted dopers. You're a doper yourself.

Sprinters are most overpaid athletes. Get rid of appearance fees. Pay sprinters a fraction what they get now. I bet we see a lot less dopers when there isn't money flowing into the market.

They couldn't afford Meme then. So yes the sport would be cleaner.

Once I saw LA riding up a mountain around a corner and needing to hit the brakes he was going so fast, I was like WTF.

Seeing a very tall man turn around and slow down after 100m but still beating everybody by meters did the same thing for me. WTF

It's just the way things are. Always have been IMO

Nesta Carter never had a positive, ever.

Wasn't Nesta Carter's time from the Clermont track

Nesta Carter wrote:

http://images.dailystar-uk.co.uk/dynamic/63/photos/873000/6873.jpg

Enough said.

Nesta doped and so has everyone on the list including bolt, but that picture is NOT proof! I know so many people who look crazy jacked when running in pictures. That does not at all prove he was doping.

The drugs do not make someone that vascular and ripped. Lots of people look like that in sprinting photos.

His times, his testing and his affiliation with other dopers and Jamaica do strongly lead to it.

The only athlete I think who was clean was Walter Dix.

Carl Lewis took a lot more than what he was caught with and amphetamines make a huge diff.

Blake is the most clearly roided sprinter I've ever seen in the last 15 years.