Fisher will DESTROY Maton

Mrs. Fisher?

common scents wrote:

Not sure why their Dream Mile match-up is so hyped.

Fisher was on pace for 4 flat INDOORS before tripping up. He is clearly the overall better runner with all of his accolades and is actually high school age. Besides, with Maton making all these record attempts now, he'll probably be burnt out by the time the Dream Mile rolls around. Factor in Fisher's superior instincts and Stanford brain, and he'll do what he always does: run a smart race for the win. There's no way the Dream Mile goes sub-4 anyway, so it's going to be about race savvy, not prs.

Leave it to Flotrack to hype a no-contest.

Yeah, really surprising to see anyone hyping a race between a sub-4 HS miler and the kid who has basically been The Man for the last two years. And on a running site of all places! Why in the world would anybody be interested?

No seriously?Who is Fisher? Dream mile?A "dream mile" featuring what sounds like high school kids?Who cares what high school runners do.Youth is wasted on the young.People need to get over the idea that what happens in high school is the most important thing of their lives. Good grief.

common scents wrote:

Not sure why their Dream Mile match-up is so hyped.

Fisher was on pace for 4 flat INDOORS before tripping up. He is clearly the overall better runner with all of his accolades and is actually high school age. Besides, with Maton making all these record attempts now, he'll probably be burnt out by the time the Dream Mile rolls around. Factor in Fisher's superior instincts and Stanford brain, and he'll do what he always does: run a smart race for the win. There's no way the Dream Mile goes sub-4 anyway, so it's going to be about race savvy, not prs.

Leave it to Flotrack to hype a no-contest.

I think it's pretty obvious that the hype is to entice high-schoolers to buy FloTrack Pro to watch the dream mile.

I don't think you are in the minority. This isn't exactly revolutionary thinking ya know?

Fisher probably is, and should be, the favorite, but no-contest? You have to give weight to recent performances and those would at least suggest an interesting matchup.

The real race is going to be the same style it is every year. EXCEPT MAYBE the Verzbicas sub-4 year.

The race is going to be more tactical than an all out gut fest. It always is. The "HS Rabbits" lead for a while, but they are inexperienced HSers and are never spot on the pace. It'll come down to 600m prowess, and Grant Fisher is the easy favorite.

That Oregon Twilight race was in really nice conditions in the evening with a rabbit (Mac Fleet) plus Jenkins and Geoghegan pulling in the last lap.

I've been on the finish line of that meet way before the Dream mile started in 2010.

Let's not forget Maton has a great kick though. He closed the last 400m of last year's dream mile faster than Fisher, I believe.

Who cares about high school? Grant fischer's upside is way greater than maton anyway.

By nice conditions you mean what exactly?It was very windy, Maton had to face the wind in front on 2/4 laps due to lose touch with the lead group, and on the final lap moving past who was ahead of him on lap 3.To be honest I was really surprised he did it.I will give you did have folks in front of him, though not always he could draft behind. And the race was certainly not tactical so that helped. But nice conditions? um not really.That all said Grant was clearly better last year at the dream mile. They both seem to be about the same place this year time wise. I'm certainly interested how it turns out.

John Clendon wrote:

The real race is going to be the same style it is every year. EXCEPT MAYBE the Verzbicas sub-4 year.

The race is going to be more tactical than an all out gut fest. It always is. The "HS Rabbits" lead for a while, but they are inexperienced HSers and are never spot on the pace. It'll come down to 600m prowess, and Grant Fisher is the easy favorite.

That Oregon Twilight race was in really nice conditions in the evening with a rabbit (Mac Fleet) plus Jenkins and Geoghegan pulling in the last lap.

I've been on the finish line of that meet way before the Dream mile started in 2010.

Ritz Raff wrote:

Who cares about high school? Grant fischer's upside is way greater than maton anyway.

In the long run, we are all dead.

My bet is Maton will win in 4:02.67

What does winner get?

Well Fisher ran 2:42.89 at Stanford placing 7th in his heat. Maton's 3:59.38 is about a second faster when converted to a 1500. I'm not sure how you could be so positive Fisher would Destroy Maton.

Maton closed a windy 3:59 in 57. He's got a definite chance against Fisher this time out.

Unbiased post wrote:

Well Fisher ran 2:42.89 at Stanford placing 7th in his heat. Maton's 3:59.38 is about a second faster when converted to a 1500. I'm not sure how you could be so positive Fisher would Destroy Maton.

It should be a good race and neither Fischer nor Maton is a clear favorite. Any reasonable, objective person can see that. CommonScents isn't so positive about the outcome of the dream mile but rather being negative about Maton. Just another post inspired by hate/jealousy/envy on LRC.

wide awake bear wrote:

What does winner get?

Bragging rights that they beat the best milers in the country head to head.

Unbiased post wrote:

Well Fisher ran 2:42.89 at Stanford placing 7th in his heat. Maton's 3:59.38 is about a second faster when converted to a 1500. I'm not sure how you could be so positive Fisher would Destroy Maton.

2:42? That's got to be some kind of record.

Here's the thing, if Fisher wants to go Sub 4 in HS he can't just sit and kick - he will have to push the pace. Maton has his Sub 4, he will sit for the win, but now has little reason to care about the 4 minute barrier. Ball is in Fisher's court.