Did Mike Rossi (viral marathon dad) cheat his way into Boston?

Haven't been on this thread in months.

Can I get a cliff notes version of what I've missed?

Also can someone update me on Mike's running. My anniversary is coming up and I was thinking about a big trip with the wife but if I'm going to need to pay out $10,000 or $100,000 maybe I shouldn't go ;)

Seriously, has the guy raced anything?

I probably should email his lawyer and tell him I want advance notice of any record attempts for the $10k so I can be there to watch it and for any $100,000 attempts I want the ability to conduct one random pre-race drug test and a post-race test as well.

rojo wrote:

Haven't been on this thread in months.

Can I get a cliff notes version of what I've missed?

Also can someone update me on Mike's running. My anniversary is coming up and I was thinking about a big trip with the wife but if I'm going to need to pay out $10,000 or $100,000 maybe I shouldn't go ;)

Seriously, has the guy raced anything?

I probably should email his lawyer and tell him I want advance notice of any record attempts for the $10k so I can be there to watch it and for any $100,000 attempts I want the ability to conduct one random pre-race drug test and a post-race test as well.

I missed out for awhile too, and there is nothing worth coming back to. However, if you want to set restrictions on your offer (set terms) - I would do that in writing ASAP - to his lawyer and as post scrip to the story (*here are the terms, kind of thing). So far, you don't have a binding contract as all you have is an offer. If he were to accept it, then you potentially could have a binding contract - but with vague terms, which is always bad. Vague terms generally lead to litigation and arguing over the terms after the fact. Likely not worth suing you guys for $10,000, but, still possible. You do need to make the terms or your offer clear, and I'd do it right away if you are in any way worried he will accept. I'd avoid unnecessary risk (liability), so I'd probably revoke the previous offer (because it is rather uncertain) and then make the new offer clear with the terms that are important to you - like being able to watch, drug test, how the course is measured (USATF certified) etc. etc. So, I'd write his lawyer and say, we hereby formally revoke our former offer and here is our new offer, with the clear terms that you want followed. Drug testing is a good one, but is also not that straight forward - it's expensive, so: who pays for that; where does it happen; what is tested etc. All of that is likely over the top, but, if you like to avoid uncertainty and unnecessary risk, then the more clear you are, the better.

run.run wrote:

However, if you want to set restrictions on your offer (set terms) - I would do that in writing ASAP - to his lawyer and as post scrip to the story (*here are the terms, kind of thing). So far, you don't have a binding contract as all you have is an offer. If he were to accept it, then you potentially could have a binding contract - but with vague terms, which is always bad.

Isn't it too late to change the challenge?

In any case, rojo: Mike is already running these times in training. So, unless you insist on an extreme uphill course, you better put those $10,000 aside. Plus the 10,000 for the easier marathon time, what was it, 3:25? That time is practically guaranteed for New York, and the 3:11 is quite possible. Sorry to disappoint you.

Start saving. Or crowdfunding.

SmartRunnr wrote:

run.run wrote:

However, if you want to set restrictions on your offer (set terms) - I would do that in writing ASAP - to his lawyer and as post scrip to the story (*here are the terms, kind of thing). So far, you don't have a binding contract as all you have is an offer. If he were to accept it, then you potentially could have a binding contract - but with vague terms, which is always bad.

Isn't it too late to change the challenge?

In any case, rojo: Mike is already running these times in training. So, unless you insist on an extreme uphill course, you better put those $10,000 aside. Plus the 10,000 for the easier marathon time, what was it, 3:25? That time is practically guaranteed for New York, and the 3:11 is quite possible. Sorry to disappoint you.

Start saving. Or crowdfunding.

take the trip,

all these lawyers only think they are good lawyers

acceptance must be received by you (the offeror), so he has to deliver any acceptance to you

he won't do it, he'll run and if he hits a time then he'll act like it is no big deal, if he misses a time he'll act like he is just coming back

the kind of offer made is not enforceable anyway, what consideration is given by Letsrun? nothing. what reliance is there by him ? nothing.

the only way to make this enforceable is to write it up into a contract and execute it.

take the trip, his times are irrelevant

rojo wrote:

Haven't been on this thread in months.

Can I get a cliff notes version of what I've missed?

Also can someone update me on Mike's running. My anniversary is coming up and I was thinking about a big trip with the wife but if I'm going to need to pay out $10,000 or $100,000 maybe I shouldn't go ;)

Seriously, has the guy raced anything?

I probably should email his lawyer and tell him I want advance notice of any record attempts for the $10k so I can be there to watch it and for any $100,000 attempts I want the ability to conduct one random pre-race drug test and a post-race test as well.

Aside from trying to get Ken Stillman / LMR to stop posting (he should be banned) there is not much progress in terms of evidence.

Mike has had two or three tweets about running including one with a photo of a treadmill readout saying he ran 5k.

However, he has worn his Boston gear in every situation possible. I believe he had cosmetic surgery to bond it to his skin.

Thanks to lr his Google search pulls up almost all cheating hits. Good job.

I don't think your money is at risk but I would be careful to ensure he doesn't obtain test, anabolic, epo, peptides, amphetamine etc and clip your 20 min 5k challenge. He is a pathological liar and cheater so I wouldn't put it past him.

That would be the only foreseeable challenge being broken with enough drugs and training.

Also, consider stipulating that the cash go to his charity for cops. This way he will look bad for not doing it, since he is so capable and wears that Boston crap everywhere.

finisher medal wrote:

Aside from trying to get Ken Stillman / LMR to stop posting (he should be banned) there is not much progress in terms of evidence.

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Also, consider stipulating that the cash go to his charity for cops. This way he will look bad for not doing it, since he is so capable and wears that Boston crap everywhere.

that would be interesting, make an offer to donate $100,000.00 to the cop charity if he breaks 20:00

or simply remove the time factor and make it a head to head race for $10000 to charity of choice for:

Cecily

MR

and K/LMR

give Cecily 1:00 or whatever women equalizer should be (she probably doesn't need it)

give LMR like what a 15:00 head start?

ideally Cecily wins 10k for a worthy cause, K adopts a healthy lifestyle and attempts to rwaddle on raw hate, MR finishes under 20:00 but in 3rd

everyone goes on with life and comes out with their own personal hobby jogger victory: Cecily wins, K beats MR and gets healthy, MR beats 20:00

and that everyone moving on thing? priceless

SmartRunnr wrote:

In any case, rojo: Mike is already running these times in training.

In case you didn't catch on, SmartRunnr is a troll who pretends to be pro-Mike but gives us a wink now and then to let us know he's just putting on.

Mike himself said just a week ago that he's just now getting back into running. He's keeping the injury excuse handy in case he needs it.

@mikerossi22 are you running?? I am getting super excited!!!!

Mike Rossi ‏@mikerossi22 Oct 5

@amy_brooke I'm just getting back to it. It's been a struggle good luck to you!

11:50 AM - 5 Oct 2015 ·

Guess is he'll try for the $10k first since that is low on the bar. I imagine it is quite safe even so, short of him cheating again.Since you originally did not spell out the criteria for the 5k I'm not sure you can set the rules now. The $100k is safe and you did set criteria for that. Even a steep downhill course would be tough for him and we know it can be hell on the legs.From what I can piece together, he may have a trainer but has run no races. Workouts in the gym and trail, no mention of a track. Best I can tell those who believe him may have never run a competitive step in the lives if at all.He has made no public announcement of accepting any of the challenges AFAIK. You do need to have some way to confirm any of the challenges he accepts, because you would have a case of fraud if he cheats again and takes the money.

rojo wrote:

Haven't been on this thread in months.

Can I get a cliff notes version of what I've missed?

Also can someone update me on Mike's running. My anniversary is coming up and I was thinking about a big trip with the wife but if I'm going to need to pay out $10,000 or $100,000 maybe I shouldn't go ;)

Seriously, has the guy raced anything?

I probably should email his lawyer and tell him I want advance notice of any record attempts for the $10k so I can be there to watch it and for any $100,000 attempts I want the ability to conduct one random pre-race drug test and a post-race test as well.

Or they've actually read Carlill vs. the Carbolic Smoke Ball Co. (for example) and, other than knowing the law, also know full well that crazier things can happen if you get the right judge. Maybe you can correct a bad decision on appeal, but how much money do you want to spend?

Consideration? How many additional clicks, and therefore advertising revenue, was generated for Letsrun by publishing this story with it's offer to Mike Rossi? Reliance? How much time and energy is Mike Rossi now committing to training, even giving up paying jobs, in reliance on winning this cash?

I didn't say, and I'm not saying: (1) that he will ever make those times; or (2) if he did claim he ran a 19:58 and sought payment, that he would bother suing you if you refuse; or (3) that a court would ever find this offer to be a binding contract. I said if you are worried he might run the time (perhaps in a manner that seems sketchy to you), and you want to avoid any risk, certainty is a good thing.

Perhaps this "good lawyer" can explain to you the harm in sending Mike Rossi's lawyer terms you want attached to your offer? One quick email to him, or, wait and see what happens.

rojo wrote:

Haven't been on this thread in months.

Can I get a cliff notes version of what I've missed?

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Did you miss Mike creating fake Twitter and Facebook accounts using a Latina persona to post nasty messages on Cecily Tynan's accounts? The name he used was Lydia Romero with the handle @Lr562run. Those initials "LR" were a strange coincidence, huh???

What?

This is the classic definition of a unilateral contract.

They put an offer out there with the terms: time deadline, performance required, reward.

No notice of acceptance is required for unilateral contracts. Performance would constitute acceptance.

I would be very careful dispensing legal advice . . . if Mike did in fact run a 20m 5k within the time period, and the Brojos refused to pay like you say, it is possible that they would be in breach and have to pay the original reward plus other damages. This is by no means as cut and dry as you suggest.

Are you an attorney?

All of his behaviors in this regarad are that of a cheat and liar.The fact he is rarely seen training in public to date shows he is hiding what we know he does not have, a 3:11 marathon in his bones. Still Barb, Bart, and Via share his shame, in my view worse because they enabled The Cheat.

No shortcuts wrote:

rojo wrote:

Haven't been on this thread in months.

Can I get a cliff notes version of what I've missed?

.

Did you miss Mike creating fake Twitter and Facebook accounts using a Latina persona to post nasty messages on Cecily Tynan's accounts? The name he used was Lydia Romero with the handle @Lr562run. Those initials "LR" were a strange coincidence, huh???

No shortcuts wrote:

rojo wrote:

Haven't been on this thread in months.

Can I get a cliff notes version of what I've missed?

.

Did you miss Mike creating fake Twitter and Facebook accounts using a Latina persona to post nasty messages on Cecily Tynan's accounts? The name he used was Lydia Romero with the handle @Lr562run. Those initials "LR" were a strange coincidence, huh???

Hi Ken!

finisher medal wrote:

No shortcuts wrote:

Did you miss Mike creating fake Twitter and Facebook accounts using a Latina persona to post nasty messages on Cecily Tynan's accounts? The name he used was Lydia Romero with the handle @Lr562run. Those initials "LR" were a strange coincidence, huh???

Hi Ken!

You fool. Go back a few pages where I told Ken I hoped he ended up on a sex offender list if he went ahead with his latest plan.

No shortcuts wrote:

finisher medal wrote:

Hi Ken!

You fool. Go back a few pages where I told Ken I hoped he ended up on a sex offender list if he went ahead with his latest plan.

And what plan is that?

What is Mike's bib number for New York?

Rojo, your money is safer than a 60 year old nun's butt virginity. Mike's attempt at becoming a certified hobby jogger was just plain pathetic. The elderly, sick, dying, fat, has-beens... all have come on these boards claiming they could break 20 in a 5k anytime and I believe them wholeheartedly. How can a man with even just a single drop of intensity in his body not be able to hold sub 7min pace for a few miles??? That is simple muscle memory acquired all the way back from our ape ancestors. He is a pathetic excuse of an athlete and if I were you I would up my offer to $311,000!

rojo wrote:

Haven't been on this thread in months.

Can I get a cliff notes version of what I've missed?

Also can someone update me on Mike's running. My anniversary is coming up and I was thinking about a big trip with the wife but if I'm going to need to pay out $10,000 or $100,000 maybe I shouldn't go ;)

Seriously, has the guy raced anything?

I probably should email his lawyer and tell him I want advance notice of any record attempts for the $10k so I can be there to watch it and for any $100,000 attempts I want the ability to conduct one random pre-race drug test and a post-race test as well.

Bib#311, but he heard the traffic will be really bad so don't count on another BQ.

Multivitamin wrote:

What is Mike's bib number for New York?

If he's actually running NYCM, he's going to have to hire a ringer/doppleganger this time. There is a chip mat every 5k. Driving, taking the subway, or using Uber and cabs will be completely impractical.

My guess is that he'll show up at the start, take another selfie, then run to the first prearranged handoff point, where he'll either duck into a porta potty or feign an injury. At that point, he can hand his chip off to someone in an identical outfit, including a hat and sunglasses. That much faster freelance runner can then be instructed to hide behind people whenever he sees a photographer. Near Central Park, the ringer can feign an injury, and they can swap chips back, and Mike will get an official photo of himself finishing in 3:09 or whatever it is. NYCM might have a lot of chip mats, but it also has a lot of crowds, so pulling this off probably wouldn't be too difficult.

But I don't think he's running NYCM at all.