Cain, Cranny, Efraimson all struggling

As great as it would have been for them to just keep going up and up. That is very hard to do especially when you are just entering a higher level of the sport. So I would say give them some time, as long as they are finished mentally they still have a shot. They are all still young and hopefully interested at competing at a very high level. With that said yes, it appears they have regressed quite a bit. Though it is not time to worry yet, in another year, maybe.

Cranny struggling? Did you watch indoor nationals, she was far better than everyone except Scott who was clearly in incredible shape. It's May 3rd, these girls usually peak in the summer. I guarantee all three of them are in hard training phases, with big races to come later. I think Coach Milt has been conservative with Cranny this year, continuing to build her strength with little focus on speed(3000k instead of 1500). Oh wait didn't Cranny break Cains 3k junior record at NCAAs in a championship race without pacers. Yeah she's struggling.

You people are so impatient, it's ridiculous. It's May 3rd, Cranny is probably getting ready for finals at Stanford. I predict her outdoor NCAAs is as good or better then indoors. Then we might see some fast times after that, or maybe she will just start getting ready for XC. Doesn't Cuffe have eligibility left in the fall? They may be planning a big year in xc at Stanford.

Cranny is regressing? She was the top freshman at xc nationals, runner-up indoor 3000 meters at nationals. Her freshman year has been incredibly consistent.

Jack2651 wrote:

Cranny is regressing? She was the top freshman at xc nationals, runner-up indoor 3000 meters at nationals. Her freshman year has been incredibly consistent.

Which is precisely why we're confused by these results. It's not irregular for runners to be off of their PRs at the start of the outdoor season. However, it IS a bit concerning that she faded so badly in the race when she's been performing great up to this point.

Ajee Wilson seems to be doing just great!

Seyta wrote:

it IS a bit concerning that she faded so badly in the race when she's been performing great up to this point.

I know! Because great runners never have "off" races, even at the beginning of the season when the outcome doesn't mean diddly shit. Cranny's ability to perform spectacularly well at championship meets HAS to extent to meets in early May if she's to be taken seriously. I mean, a 4:16? Good God, at this rate she'll be running 4:30 by Nationals and be left at home to blow bongs and watch wrestling.

How long have you supposedly been watching runners run again?

Jack2651 wrote:

Cranny is regressing? She was the top freshman at xc nationals, runner-up indoor 3000 meters at nationals. Her freshman year has been incredibly consistent.

None of that is relevant to whether she is regressing or not.

This thread is pointless trolling, and basically totally out of touch with how runners train and race through a season.

I haven't run at all since my long run this morning, plus my long run was much slower than my race yesterday. Am I regressing?

Girls, girls, girls wrote:

Cain with a slow 1500m time (4:15) albeit a winner, but still well off her previous best by a long shot

Cranny well back of the winners with a slow 1500 (4:16) at PJ and recently kicked down by a decent but nowhere near elite college runner at Penn Relays

Efraimson still horrible at the end of 5K's after being with the leaders most of the race, fades badly to a 16:xx in almost last place and looked like she was having trouble walking again afterwards

Regression to the mean for these "superstars" or are they "done" as LetRunners like to say?

Cain definitely struggling since after indoor season last year with her new body.

Efraimson possibly as she's had bad non-specialty races -- 5ks on the road and track, but no terrible races at 1500.

Cranny's had a very good year, but her 1500 is troubling with Pac-12s two weeks away and NCAAs 5 weeks. Bad result at her specialty race.

I am seriously beginning to think that 99% of LRC posters have never run a track season. Either that, or 99% of LRC posters can't remember anything except the three best races of their entire lives.

No one with good PRs fails to have a race or two, or even a period of a couple of months, where they run well off their PRs.

I never have.

Add D'Agostino to that list. She has run 2 races in the last 11 months. I am a big fan of her, except for that God-squad garbage. She is the most promising American female to come out of the NCAA in 5 years. Jordan Hasay was second, but she has been running at a top level for 10 years now and it was expected of her.

AD looked like the next big thing and she still well may be, but let's face it: When you are paid to run and you run 2 races in one year, that is not a good sign. If you had mononucleosis, and a stress fracture, and major surgery ALL in one year, I would still be able to run more than 2 races.

Hope it evens out for her.

It will not for Cain or Efraimson. They are such immense talents that it can only go the way of Alan Webb for them. They will both keep chasing the level they reached as 17-year-olds and sometimes touch it or thrill us with something better, but there is no way they are going to improve into the 3:55 world-beaters that some people have expected them to be for the last three years.

Cranny will be fine.

justsayin wrote:

Ajee Wilson seems to be doing just great!

^this

But Cain is done. She is a mental weakling who can't tackle a setback.

justsayin wrote:

Ajee Wilson seems to be doing just great!

/winner

Based on the performances of Price, Wilson, Ludlow, Montano, Vessey, Rowbury I think Cain, Cranny, Efraimson need to spend a week or so in the Bahamas.

going the way of webb?? He ran 1:47.7/3:53.43/8:45i in high school and 1:43.8/3:46.91/8:11/13:10/27:35 as a pro. I don't think anyone would be upset if Cain went on to run 1:55/3:56-57.

jjjjj wrote:

going the way of webb?? He ran 1:47.7/3:53.43/8:45i in high school and 1:43.8/3:46.91/8:11/13:10/27:35 as a pro. I don't think anyone would be upset if Cain went on to run 1:55/3:56-57.

You must be new to letsrun.

Cranny hopefully will be fine. I like the girl and think she is more talented than efraimson. That being said I really don't like Milt or what he is doing over there in Palo Alto. My prediction is that he runs her into the ground and burns her out. Her talent will be able to handle it for a while and she will achieve some fantastic results relative to the NCAA, which will cause people to justify what is happening, but who knows where she could be at with good coaching.

She ran 4:10 (#1 time in NCAA right now is 4:11...) last year at Payton Jordan and she ran 4:15 as a junior at Payton Jordan. Her stride looks worse and she clearly doesn't have the speed she had. She is fit, but any coach can get talented kids in shape by upping their mileage. I haven't seen any improvements that indicate any quality training.

Bottom line... People on here who are saying she is doing great clearly don't know what kind of super talent she is.