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Without this famine global temperatures would have been higher. Let's celebrate the martyrs who died for our coolness.
Can historians make the case of a coordinated plan to destroy Ireland by starvation? As far as I have understood, the mainstream view is that the free market ideology and mercantile interests were the cause of the Great Hunger.
You would have a better case with the Ukrainian famine caused by the Soviets in the 1930s.
Another blight on British history is their involvement in the Irish slave trade.
I recently watched Keith Hughes talk about this very topic.
Very basic info on the subject.
1) 4/10
A little bit of originality here.
2) "Millions" means at least two million. Fewer than that died in the Great Hunger, so "millions" is a lie.
"gen·o·cide ˈjenəˌsīd/ noun--the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation." England did not deliberately kill the Irish (on *this* occasion)--in fact the Hunger and subsequent emptying of Ireland were against British interests, both short- and long-term--so "genocide" is a lie.
3) By a natural and easy transition, this reminds me of a classic thread:
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=4494422
4) And if you got me to write this much, you deserve an upgrade for your trollage: 5/10.
This Irish lass tells us all about it, I think.
The Europeans went off looking for other lands because they ran out of food. Their agriculture sucked, it depleted their lands and their fisheries. Peasants had nothing to eat but disgusting grass. The population stagnated.But there in America they met the brilliant Incas who had invented potatoes. One thing about potatoes is they can grow on crappy land, even up north. They brought the potatoes back with them to Europe for the starving peasants, who multiplied so profusely that many were able to eventually start working in factories, leading to the industrial revolution. Unfortunately the price of population is famine, if anything happens to the food everyone dies. Or goes to America, where the land was good and people didn't starve, much.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_height#Average_height_around_the_worldSome contributor to Wikipedia wrote:
In the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, people of European descent in North America were far taller than those in Europe and were the tallest in the world.[9] The original indigenous population of Plains Native Americans was also among the tallest populations of the world at the time.[41]
Isn't Ireland surrounded by fish?
why the trolling, you know many american, canadian, australian whites and some american blacks, are part Irish?
What About Fish wrote:
Isn't Ireland surrounded by fish?
Yes but they cut down all the trees so they could grow potatoes and forgot to save some wood to build boats.
potaydo potahdo wrote:
why the trolling,
Why not?, this is LR after all.
If the micks are fussy eaters why is that our fault ?
Don't feel sorry for Ireland. Remember that those same Irish people moved to the United States, were slaveholders in the South, and later after the Civil War helped exterminate millions in China and Asia.
Don't you mean they were brought to the U.S. as slaves by the Brits?
French Fries wrote:
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Cromwell was the Hitler of his day. Genocide by the Brits.... with a history of it throughout it's ill-gotten "empire."
It is anti-Semitic to claim anyone but Jews have been the victim of any kind of genocide.
Be Real Mr wrote:
It is anti-Semitic to claim anyone but Jews have been the victim of any kind of genocide.
Armenians will disagree; as will Tibetans and oh, just about every ethnic and religious tribe at some point .
The term "genocide" is used rather loosely when discussing the Irish Potato Famine. While it is true that the British withheld food aid to Ireland, the total dependence on potatos for their primary food source is all on the Irish peasants.
It should be noted that the Irish were rather ingenious in taking untillable rocky hillside land, terracing it, mixing sand and seaweed together to make a fertile soil in the terraces, and then planting their potatos therein. Ultimately though, the lack of certain soil pH factors in the unique man-made soil made the potatos more susceptable to the rot.
OK, I want to talk about Ireland
Specifically I want to talk about the "famine"
About the fact that there never really was one
There was no "famine"
See Irish people were only allowed to eat potatoes
All of the other food
Meat fish vegetables
Were shipped out of the country under armed guard
To England while the Irish people starved
And then on the middle of all this
They gave us money not to teach our children Irish
And so we lost our history
And this is what I think is still hurting me
See we're like a child that's been battered
Has to drive itself out of it's head because it's frightened
Still feels all the painful feelings
But they lose contact with the memory
And this leads to massive self-destruction
alcoholism, drug adiction
All desperate attempts at running
And in it's worst form
Becomes actual killing
And if there ever is gonna be healing
There has to be remembering
And then grieving
So that there then can be forgiving
There has to be knowledge and understanding.
An American army regulation
Says you mustn't kill more than 10% of a nation
'Cos to do so causes permanent "psychological damage"
It's not permanent but they didn't know that
Anyway during the supposed "famine"
We lost a lot more than 10% of our nation
Through deaths on land or on ships of emigration
But what finally broke us was not starvation
but it's use in the controlling of our education
School go on about "Black 47"
On and on about "The terrible famine"
But what they don't say is in truth
There really never was one.
So let's take a look shall we
The highest statistics of child abuse in the EEC
And we say we're a Christian country
But we've lost contact with our history
See we used to worship God as a mother
We're sufferin from post traumatic stress disorder
Look at all our old men in the pubs
Look at all our young people on drugs
We used to worship God as a mother
Now look at what we're doing to each other
We've even made killers of ourselves
The most child-like trusting people in the Universe
And this is what's wrong with us
Our history books the pareny figures lied to us
I see the Irish
As a race like a child
That got itself basned in the face
We stand on the brink of a great achievement
In this Ireland there is no solution
to be found to our disagreements
by shooting eachother
There is no real invader here
We are all irish in all our
different kinds of ways
We must not, now or ever in the future,
show anything to each other
exept tollerance, forbearance
and neighbourly love
because of our tradition everyone here
knows how he is and what God expects him to do.