I've often wondered why is it that Japanese men don't do better in track and marathoning given that so many of them can run under 1:05.
I've often wondered why is it that Japanese men don't do better in track and marathoning given that so many of them can run under 1:05.
No EPO
Brett Larner:
"As Kenyan Wilson Loyanae Erupe, returning from a two-year ban for EPO, led an all-African lead pack to a 2:06:11 win, Kawauchi, working his way back from injuries originating with a sprained ankle in December, ran in the second pack with South Korea's Yu Seung Yeup and Sim Joung Seu on mid-2:12 pace. "
If Yuki was on the same drugs as the Kenyans, and he trained like Seko, ie.,
higher mileage, he could run 2:04-2:05.
This article goes into their training a bit more, though unfortunately it does not cover the full training week, but you get the idea of the super-high mileage, 300k or more per week, and the 30k's mentioned in the article might go single file with groups 1 minute apart, where the first group will get caught at 20k after going 6:20 pace to that point and then the pace is fast the last 10k, plus they've already done a 10k warmup and strides before this. The previous, easy, rest day, two days after an Ekiden, was up to three runs, 8M, 8M, and 13M, or 29 miles total.
Seko won in '86.
neverland wrote:
Seko won in '86.
The OP is talking about the present.
They used to be genetically superior, but then their genes migrated to east Africa.
Maybe he IS on the same drugs as the Kenyans, hence his ability to run 2:08 (sometimes) and 2:09 - 2:12 (a lot of the time).Or, he could just be as talented as the Kenyans but lacking the altitude and genetics?
fred wrote:
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=2521944If Yuki was on the same drugs as the Kenyans, and he trained like Seko, ie.,
higher mileage, he could run 2:04-2:05.
Right now, with how easy it is for Kenyans to buy EPO ($100 in local pharmacy, no prescription,...), other countries are simply not competitive.
I feel like this will be going for the next 10 years and one day we will have to put an asterisk to the Kenyan names in the records books because not a single one could be clean.
Quite sad, actually.
Bad Wigins wrote:
They used to be genetically superior, but then their genes migrated to east Africa.
And to Portland, and given to Rupp, Solinsky, Ritz, Teg, Jagar, and Farrah.
Bad Wigins wrote:
They used to be genetically superior, but then their genes migrated to east Africa.
The African genes evolved to a higher level.
Living in the past wrote:
neverland wrote:Seko won in '86.
The OP is talking about the present.
Then he would have said never again,
Can't speak to marathoning, but track is just not a popular sport in Japan. Only marathon and ekiden are popular.
There are numerous LR threads on the Japanese system/training/motivations. Look em up.
Concupiscurd wrote:
I've often wondered why is it that Japanese men don't do better in track and marathoning given that so many of them can run under 1:05.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/why-japans-incredible-longdistance-runners-will-never-win-the-london-marathon-10182050.html
I don't know if you have been paying attention but Japanese men are pretty awesome at the marathon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukuoka_Marathon#Past_winnershttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Biwa_Marathon#WinnersThink about it wrote:
Maybe he IS on the same drugs as the Kenyans, hence his ability to run 2:08 (sometimes) and 2:09 - 2:12 (a lot of the time).
Or, he could just be as talented as the Kenyans but lacking the altitude and genetics?
How is it that "he could just be as talented as the Kenyans" but "lacking the ... genetics?"
What is it you think determines your "talent"?
Think about it wrote:
Maybe he IS on the same drugs as the Kenyans, hence his ability to run 2:08 (sometimes) and 2:09 - 2:12 (a lot of the time).
Thank goodness they're not on the same drugs as Americans.
they dont win any major int. competitions. even in japan.
Des Linden: "The entire sport" has changed since she first started running Boston.
Am I living in the twilight zone? The Boston Marathon weather was terrible!
Ryan Eiler, 3rd American man at Boston, almost out of nowhere
Matt Choi was drinking beer halfway through the Boston Marathon
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