Jeremy Wariner, Rio 800m finalist?

I'm not disagreeing with much of what you wrote, but you realize his time yesterday was 13 seconds off the WR, right? 13 seconds. In the 800. Not the 10k. 800 meters. Just making sure you saw that.

Not. Gonna. Happen.

I certainly think that if everything goes right, and he starts to focus on the 800 right now, he could end up running 1:46 at USAs next year which would probably get him into the final at US champs.

I doubt he plans to switch to 800m at the moment. If he continues to run sub-par 400s, it might enter his mind, but right now he would probably laugh at this thread.

He was never the second fastest of all time.

His PR put him behind Johnson and Reynolds who were retired before Wariner hit the scene.

Age 31 is a bit late to learn the 800 at the highest level.

Especially when your fitness has obviously been declining.

When he ran his 8 did he wear a body suit?

Clearly I remember picking on the boy, seemed a harmless, little f*ck. Oh, but we unleashed the lion!

Three Olympic Golds and a Silver. Five World Championship Golds. But Wariner is hated here, almost as much as Kara Goucher.

Go figure.

He stated post race this was just a strength and endurance race to get ready for the 400 this year with a goal to make the world champs team in the 400.

Not sure where the spin came he was trying to be a 800 runner.

He has an outside chance to make it as an individual and a good chance to make the 4x4 relay team as they take the top six finishers at nationals.

I'd be really surprised if he can make the transition this late in his career. 800 is a lot more than just speed.

Warinerererer wrote:

Who doesn't think that a healthy Wariner couldn't beat even the likes of Duane Soloman in a 400?

So could Bolt.

Doesn't have much to do with who can run a faster 800.

doltage wrote:

Warinerererer wrote:

Who doesn't think that a healthy Wariner couldn't beat even the likes of Duane Soloman in a 400?

So could Bolt.

Doesn't have much to do with who can run a faster 800.

I think the point was that Solomon is a speed-oriented 800m runner. So was Rudisha, Borza, etc.

By the way, anyone know Kipketer's 400 pr? For some reason, I thought it wasn't that impressive

go to figure wrote:

Three Olympic Golds and a Silver. Five World Championship Golds. But Wariner is hated here, almost as much as Kara Goucher.

Go figure.

The hate isn't for Wariner. He's had a fantastic career.

The hate for anyone that actually thinks he will become a world class 800 runner.

doltage wrote:

Warinerererer wrote:

Who doesn't think that a healthy Wariner couldn't beat even the likes of Duane Soloman in a 400?

So could Bolt.

Doesn't have much to do with who can run a faster 800.

That's a bad example because Bolt has range for a sprinter and originally ran longer events. A skinny Bolt could run the 800m, to the detriment of his 100m of course.

Yeah being 6 5 isn't an an advantage in the 800/ sarcasm.

Warinerererer wrote:

We know that we lose speed as we get older, but as Haile, Paula, Bernard, Meb (not sprinter, I know) have all told us: endurance can improve with age

urban legend.

70-74 marathon WR: Ed Whitlock 2:54, 142% of open WR

70-74 400m: Guido Muller 59.34, 137%

70-74 100m: Bobby Whilden 12.77, 133%

That last old man might be faster than YOU. Might even beat Farah.

not just in old age either.

40-44 100m: 10.29 107%

mile: 3:54 104%

10000 28:30 108%

Neeeshegee Novgerod wrote:

doltage wrote:

So could Bolt.

Doesn't have much to do with who can run a faster 800.

I think the point was that Solomon is a speed-oriented 800m runner. So was Rudisha, Borza, etc.

By the way, anyone know Kipketer's 400 pr? For some reason, I thought it wasn't that impressive

Kipketer's official PB was 46.85, which is clearly not indicative of his potential when setting the 800 WR.

He ran a 45.4 relay a week before his WR = run of 1:41.73 in 1997. That's worth around 46.0 for an open 400. I would suggest that this was the least he could have run 'all out'. He was probably more likely capable of 45.5 in late 97.

Just needs a little l-carnatine. 11 percent improvement should medal.

can someone get the meet director and ask how he determined Wariner should be sharing a lane at the start of that 800?

I always get the feeling reading these Wariner threads that people assume that the 800m is easy. The fact that the man has run 43 doesn't mean he can jog around in 1:50 for 800m cause 55s are 'easy'.

True 400m sprinters find the 800m really tough and it is because of their muscle fibre makeup. There is a reason why sprinters aren't also the fastest middle and long distance runners. Guys with a high percentage of the fast twitch type will fatigue very quickly, it's just scientific fact.

If you take a natural sprinter and start training them for long distance events, some of those muscle fibres will convert to the slow twitch type, but it takes years and years, and then the runner is less fast over the sprint distance anyway! In the case of someone like Bolt (and even Wariner), you could never achieve the percentage of slow twitch muscles found in someone like Coe, Rudisha, Kipketer, Aman, Amos because they have such a high percentage of fast twitch muscles naturally.

It's not a simple as energy systems, taking a sprinter and prescribing them 60 mile weeks and long runs to boost aerobic strength doesn't turn them into the LR wet dream of a 43/1:40 guy.

1:53 was a good run if he takes more than 2 seconds off that ever I'll be impressed.