Is cheese good for you?

Why do you care what is good for me? This is my life not yours. If I want cheese I will eat cheese, if I don't I won't. So listen here Mr. Nosynose, mind your business and I will mind mine!!

Your skin is blotchy, so I worry.

It doesn't matter what you eat as long as you run enough weekly miles "if the furnace it hot enough, anything will burn. Even Big Macs."

Evilutionist wrote:

It's full of bacteria so I don't see how it could be.

Anti-microbe OCD is one of the worst psychoses of our time. You have 10x more bacteria living in your gut than you have cells in your body. Fermented foods like cheese, yogurt, sauerkraut, miso, beer (before modern mass production and sterilization), etc., were known by traditional cultures to improve health. Bacteria are fundamental to life, including yours.

I like cheese and cheese likes me.

All that cheese doesn't harm the mice so it must be ok

Of course it's bad for you. I'd recommend that you cut the cheese.

Today's Weston Price wrote:

Evilutionist wrote:

It's full of bacteria so I don't see how it could be.

Anti-microbe OCD is one of the worst psychoses of our time.

If you set the bar low enough, all OCDs are 'one of the worst'.

It's all relative, man. My cousin told me that.

Evilutionist wrote:

It's full of bacteria so I don't see how it could be.

Products made from cow's milk are never "good for you" except, perhaps, in the most limited of amounts.

The milk of cows is made to fatten a newborn calf at a rate of about 1.5-2 pounds per day. It is supposed to be fattening and the hormones have evolved to create the growth rate needed for young calves to grow to maturation quickly.

We are not baby calves. We shouldn't drink that stuff.

Can cheese be made from chocolate milk?

My wife was sitting with her pre-kindergarten class at lunch. They were arguing about milk saying that white milk comes from white cows and chocolate milk comes from brown cows.

Never to let a teachable moment go by, my wife said, "Hmm, well what about strawberry milk?"

Mundus Vult wrote:

Evilutionist wrote:

It's full of bacteria so I don't see how it could be.

Products made from cow's milk are never "good for you" except, perhaps, in the most limited of amounts.

The milk of cows is made to fatten a newborn calf at a rate of about 1.5-2 pounds per day. It is supposed to be fattening and the hormones have evolved to create the growth rate needed for young calves to grow to maturation quickly.

We are not baby calves. We shouldn't drink that stuff.

What about human breastmilk?

Mundus Vult wrote:

Evilutionist wrote:

It's full of bacteria so I don't see how it could be.

Products made from cow's milk are never "good for you" except, perhaps, in the most limited of amounts.

The milk of cows is made to fatten a newborn calf at a rate of about 1.5-2 pounds per day. It is supposed to be fattening and the hormones have evolved to create the growth rate needed for young calves to grow to maturation quickly.

We are not baby calves. We shouldn't drink that stuff.

Healthy traditional cultures from the Loetschental Swiss to the Masai consumed the milk (and fermented products thereof) of cows and other mammals, as documented by the real Weston Price. Neither he nor anyone else ever found any traditional vegan culture. In fact, he stated that every healthy culture he found used either dairy or food from the sea.

Cambodian Breastmilk wrote:

What about human breastmilk?

If it is from your mother when you are still nursing.

Today's Weston Price wrote:

Healthy traditional cultures from the Loetschental Swiss to the Masai consumed the milk (and fermented products thereof) of cows and other mammals, as documented by the real Weston Price. Neither he nor anyone else ever found any traditional vegan culture. In fact, he stated that every healthy culture he found used either dairy or food from the sea.

None of those cultures consumed milk in the quantities that we do in the US.

And, I have no issue with it ethically. The reason today drastically reducing meat and dairy intake is for environmental sustainability (there really is no argument to refute this point).

Reducing dairy, however, will also have tremendous health benefits for those that drastically reduce their intake.

Mundus Vult wrote:

The reason today drastically reducing meat and dairy intake is for environmental sustainability (there really is no argument to refute this point).

Sure there is. "Environmental sustainability" is just a buzzphrase for "let's keep increasing the population at the expense of dietary health."

You don't have to increase the population. Planting grains to create ever more numerous and less healthy people is what got the world into an environmental mess to begin with.

Back to the jungle like the Mayans, I say.

Your colon is also full of bacteria.

Mundus Vult wrote:

Today's Weston Price wrote:

Healthy traditional cultures from the Loetschental Swiss to the Masai consumed the milk (and fermented products thereof) of cows and other mammals, as documented by the real Weston Price. Neither he nor anyone else ever found any traditional vegan culture. In fact, he stated that every healthy culture he found used either dairy or food from the sea.

None of those cultures consumed milk in the quantities that we do in the US.

And, I have no issue with it ethically. The reason today drastically reducing meat and dairy intake is for environmental sustainability (there really is no argument to refute this point).

Reducing dairy, however, will also have tremendous health benefits for those that drastically reduce their intake.

So now you've moved the goalpost from "milk only in the most limited amounts" to "not as much milk as we consume in the US." But that's not even true. The traditional Masai diet includes up to 3 liters of milk a day.

Environmental sustainability that includes humans is impossible without large herbivores grazing land to build soil (yes, I know the factory farming system doesn't use them this way. A system dependent on constant infusions of petroleum-based fertilizer is not sustainable). Eating meat at every meal is probably ridiculous, but "drastic reductions" are completely unnecessary.

Today's Weston Price wrote:

Healthy traditional cultures from the Loetschental Swiss to the Masai consumed the milk (and fermented products thereof) of cows and other mammals

I think milk can certainly be part of a healthy diet

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Today's Weston Price wrote:..as documented by the real Weston Price. Neither he nor anyone else ever found any traditional vegan culture. In fact, he stated that every healthy culture he found used either dairy or food from the sea.

With all due respect, I am not sure what your fascination with Weston Price is.

As far as "healthy cultures" go, there are plenty of vegan or near vegan ones that exist. . For example,7th day adventists who are vegan have better health outcomes than most other populations, and better than than the non-vegan 7th day adventists. The traditional Okinawan diet was ~85% carbs, with most protein from legumes/tofu, and very low fat. There was indeed small amounts of fish/meat intake, but this was not a major part of their diet. They had the lowest CVD rates in the world.