Forget L-carnitine, when will AlSal speak on adrenaline shots?

Someone posted on the other surviving thread that injections under 50ml were okay, but what they neglected were the WADA rules regarding "potential" harm, and "spirit of sport." Under 50ml is not okay if a substance "might" cause harm, and WADA decides the ethics of sports "might" be compromised.

Taking a substance (slow injection, slow sipping) while doing a hard in-place workout (treadmill) might improve the ingestion of the substance into the body beyond what WADA thinks is acceptable.

Doping logic applies: athletes did not test positive for a banned substance, therefore, it's not doping.

Now, did they really actually not test positive? Were bribes taken to hide positives? Or, were positives by favored athletes and sponsors not opened? All are possible and have happened before.

It seems like USATF might want to publicly respond to the Salazar allegations since they were given a warning the article was going to be published. You know, "We're investigating." "Doping is bad."

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Where are the Nike/USATF sponsorship apologists now?

Forget about L-carnitine or adrenaline shots. When is Salazar gonna talk about the EPO, HGH, and Testosterone use of his athletes?

You need to look beyond the old stuff. Things you haven't heard about, or thought about being possible.

50ml or less wrote:

Someone posted on the other surviving thread that injections under 50ml were okay, but what they neglected were the WADA rules regarding "potential" harm, and "spirit of sport." Under 50ml is not okay if a substance "might" cause harm, and WADA decides the ethics of sports "might" be compromised.

WADA also has a list... it's pretty helpful.

Ingredient Route of Administration.....................In-Competition Out-of-Competition

Epinephrine Inhalation..................................Prohibited Not Prohibited

Epinephrine Injection - Intra-muscular ............Prohibited Not Prohibited

Epinephrine Injection - Intravenous *...............Prohibited Not Prohibited

Epinephrine Injection - Local or Intra-Articular...Not Prohibited Not Prohibited

Epinephrine Injection - Subcutaneous.............Not Prohibited Not Prohibited

Epinephrine Nasal......................................... Not Prohibited Not Prohibited

Epinephrine Ophthalmic ..................................Not Prohibited Not Prohibited

Epinephrine With local anaesthetic agents or local administration Not Prohibited Not Prohibited

Ingredient: Epinephrine

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Other Names Adrenaline; Adrenaline acid tartrate; Adrenaline hydrochloride; Epinephrine bitartrate; Epinephrine hydrochloride

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Now, OP unless you have proof that NOP uses adrenaline, rumors aren't useful to resolving the issue.

road rashed wrote:

Most people in the know have been aware of NOP injecting L-carnitine directly into muscles during this time in question, but the bigger issue at the 2012 Olympics was the direct injection of adrenaline before the 10k finals. Both Rupp and Farah have remained mum on the subject. Has there been any chatter from USADA on this?

I thought that turned out to be a fake rumor

How is it a fake rumor when AlSal admitted his athletes were using non-pill forms of supplements?

Nope Rumor wrote:

How is it a fake rumor when AlSal admitted his athletes were using non-pill forms of supplements?

Well, see, there isn't any proof of it at all. Just an anonymous post on a message board. I won't go so far as to call it fake but it isn't exactly credible or substantiated.

Mr. Obvious wrote:

Nope Rumor wrote:

How is it a fake rumor when AlSal admitted his athletes were using non-pill forms of supplements?

Well, see, there isn't any proof of it at all. Just an anonymous post on a message board. I won't go so far as to call it fake but it isn't exactly credible or substantiated.

Here we go again. Please explain how we get a "credible" source.

Nike going to tell us? No.

Salazar going to wake up one day and tell all? No.

USATF going to turn on their main sponsor? No.

Let's imagine an athlete confesses publicly. Surprise! she/he is "not credible."

Please, explain what a "credible source" would be. Details matter.

runDirtyrun wrote:

Mr. Obvious wrote:

Well, see, there isn't any proof of it at all. Just an anonymous post on a message board. I won't go so far as to call it fake but it isn't exactly credible or substantiated.

Here we go again. Please explain how we get a "credible" source.

Nike going to tell us? No.

Salazar going to wake up one day and tell all? No.

USATF going to turn on their main sponsor? No.

Let's imagine an athlete confesses publicly. Surprise! she/he is "not credible."

Please, explain what a "credible source" would be. Details matter.

Well, somebody with a name would at least be a step in the right direction...

USADA will start to chatter about this when someone actually provides a shred, a single small piece of hard evidence that the NOP cheats. Instead we've got insider "in the knowers" taking about legal supplements my kid can buy at the mall. I'm down with the black kit and skull. They bring the show and have raised the game. It's rad.

road rashed wrote:

Most people in the know have been aware of NOP injecting L-carnitine directly into muscles during this time in question, but the bigger issue at the 2012 Olympics was the direct injection of adrenaline before the 10k finals. Both Rupp and Farah have remained mum on the subject. Has there been any chatter from USADA on this?

You let your kid buy L-carnitine at the mall? L-carnitine carries the following warning: Keep out of reach of children.

Mr. Obvious wrote:

runDirtyrun wrote:

Here we go again. Please explain how we get a "credible" source.

Nike going to tell us? No.

Salazar going to wake up one day and tell all? No.

USATF going to turn on their main sponsor? No.

Let's imagine an athlete confesses publicly. Surprise! she/he is "not credible."

Please, explain what a "credible source" would be. Details matter.

Well, somebody with a name would at least be a step in the right direction...

Let me help you with what happens if a name gets associated with the controversy. "Oh, so-and-so said that? He's bitter he never got results."

Salazar is not denying he's giving injections. That's not a name?

A pure straw man argument on your part Mr. Obvious.

Buy at the mall? wrote:

You let your kid buy L-carnitine at the mall? L-carnitine carries the following warning: Keep out of reach of children.

We're having an article on the l-carnitine injections later today that will explain this but yes you can buy L-carnitine at the mall.

I was at Central Market (think Whole Foods) yesterday and they had it. They also have DHEA which is banned. But it is a fairly common supplement. Injecting it is a different matter when I googled about that I found answers on bodybuilding forums and horse racing sites.

Oral L-carnitine you can buy. Other types (IV, injections) need health care providers to administer.