The average meat-eater in U.S. is responsible for TWICE as much global warming as the average vegetarian.

With the little problem that global temperatures have not been trending upward for over 15 years. But whatever.

If it weren't for all the vegetables and grains being grown for you degenerate grass-eaters, the population would have never grown enough to build a giant earth-warming civilization in the first place. Without agriculture we would all be living in little villages and hunting the plentiful game with bows and arrows.

You can't be healthy eating all those grains and vegetables. You may think you're healthy, but you're not. Trust me. You need animal protein and plenty of it.

It's not a "little problem." Science is falliable. The whole idea is that there are theories and observations. Any scientist would tell you that, it's the mainstream media and their "science writers" who mess everything up...

Cows are vegan wrote:

With the little problem that global temperatures have not been trending upward for over 15 years. But whatever.

I never eat less than 12 ounces of meat/fish/fowl per day.

2 * 0 = 0

The average vegan emits 3x as much smug as the average meat-eater.

brogan1 wrote:

The average vegan emits 3x as much smug as the average meat-eater.

I don't disagree with you on vegan smugness.

However, the math is in their favor. If anyone can show me how sustain the environment at our current rate of meat production coupled with our projected population growth, I will listen.

I read somewhere that vegetarians fart twice as much as meat eaters. Since methane is like 10 times worse for global change ..... er, climate warming ......er chobal glimate charming ..... nvm.

I am an above average meat eater; how much am I contributing?

Also, what temperature should the Earth be?

luv2run wrote:

I am an above average meat eater; how much am I contributing?

Not enough. Eat mor chik'n.

Also, what temperature should the Earth be?

A perfact 70 degrees the year round. And once we get rid of all the SUV's and power plants, we'll finally have climate nirvana!!

Mundus Vult wrote:

If anyone can show me how sustain the environment at our current rate of meat production coupled with our projected population growth, I will listen.

How do you expect to sustain the environment with any kind of population growth? You must be some kind of urban hipster living in the fantasy world where you can have cities and not wreck your surroundings. You can't.

Even hundreds of years ago, Europe was populated enough that its overdependence on grain cultivation devastated both its landscape and its fisheries, contributing to the Age of Exploration. They needed more meat to be healthy. While they found plenty in the New World, they also found potatoes. And they used the potatoes to increase their population until once again they don't have enough meat, but now their cities are even bigger and their land and water are even more trashed.

They are also 10x more likely to be giant pussies

mmmm, that was GOOD vegan! So tender, cooked just right!

Bad Wigins wrote:

How do you expect to sustain the environment with any kind of population growth? You must be some kind of urban hipster living in the fantasy world where you can have cities and not wreck your surroundings. You can't.

Even hundreds of years ago, Europe was populated enough that its overdependence on grain cultivation devastated both its landscape and its fisheries, contributing to the Age of Exploration. They needed more meat to be healthy. While they found plenty in the New World, they also found potatoes. And they used the potatoes to increase their population until once again they don't have enough meat, but now their cities are even bigger and their land and water are even more trashed.

There are so many fallacies here. The desire to spice meat had more to do with the age of exploration than the scarcity of meat.

But, let me accept your premise and assume that I am an urban hipster who thinks the world can continue to over-populate without long-term environmental degradation. Is your central argument that grain and vegetable cultivation is just as devastating as commercial livestock and livestock by-products?

Is your central argument that commercial grain and vegetable cultivation is just as environmentally devastating as commercial production of livestock and livestock by-products?