Do you think I can break 2minute 800 by the end of outdoor

Give your body a chance to rest anytime your fatigued or need it, but just continue your training and you will move back down. 6 seconds will be tough to shave but I believe with some hard work you could get close, maybe even break 2 (but don't disappointed if you dont). But yeah, overall is say you can just work on that speed.

Thanks and have you every been or felt a situation like this?

54 on 400 to break 2 on 800?

is too low!

What do you mean it's to low? Like it should get faster?

2 on 800 is to hard for 54 on 400.

you gotta run at least 52.xx to break 2 lol

Based on what you've told us, I would do this:

1) Only lift 2-3 times a week MAX. 5-6 times is way too much. Cut it out..AND make sure you are doing light weight high reps only. High weight low reps is for bodybuilders.

2) Take this time between end of indoor and beginning of outdoor to build up some mileage. Long slow runs should be the main diet here.

3) We can't count the relay...coaches often get the time wrong, and you can get a big benefit if they mess up on both handoffs. So, go with 2:06 as your PR.

4) Can you get from 2:06 to 2:00 or under by end of outdoor? Sure.

5) Can't tell if you are overtrained, undertrained or improperly trained. What does your week look like?

Here's what you SHOULD be doing IN SEASON (for INDOOR when there's not a HUGELY IMPORTANT meet on Saturday):

Sunday - 8 miles

Monday - 6 miles

Tuesday - Lift in morning, 1000s workout (5 of them) (warm up with 1 mile, cool down with 2 miles)

Wednesday - 6 miles

Thursday - Lift in morning, 400s workout (12 of them) (warm up with 1 mile, cool down with 2 miles)

Friday - 4 miles

Saturday - 1 mile warmup before race. Race 800. 2 mile cool down.

If you were a 3200 or 1600 runner, I would up the mileage and have you do doubles on Monday and Wednesday. Long run on Sunday would be 12-15 miles depending on ability and fitness level.

For now, between seasons, you have GOT to get some serious mileage in. No need to run shorter than 6 miles (unless you never ran over 3 before or something silly like that), and if you can make your long run 8-10 miles, that would be good.

I disagree with this training plan. Too much aimless mileage with no direct benefit to an 800. This race goes for 2 minutes, so what is the benefit of constantly running for 50 minutes, 25 x race distance?

One thing you MUST do in base is work on your speed. Strength, short hills, sleds, speed plyos etc.

If this is in season with a base behind you - where is the 800 speed trqaining? How can you run an 800 without practising running relaxed at that pace, and getting your body used to it?

OP, please ignore this training plan. This is not suited for an 800m runner, especially not a high school 800m runner. Most likely the training your coach is having you do is at least adequate if not better.

I would suggest reducing the lifting to 2-3 days each week. If this is something your coach is having you do , then mention your concerns to him.

Running slow in February is nothing t be to concerned about. Your important races are months away and if you are training hard now, it will pay off then.

Thanks for all the tips guys I'll be sure to talk to my coach. Keep training hard and cut out so much weight training

Yo dog, the overall say is you can just work on that speed. 200 is hard-on 800 is breakin hard for 54 on 400. Have you every been or felt a situation like this bor?

Your fatigued and need it, but just continue your training and you will move back down on the smooth tip.

Ok so goal this year is to break 2mins 800 but I'm not sure if I'm on track my peas from last year are green

800 2:06 in the open but on the realz yo really I have gotten 1:48

700 114

1600 4:53 I don't really run teas mile but that's the best I seen at practice when we run the DON'T mile repeats.

3mile Xk 16:30.

Steve,

You do realize that outdoor season starts March 9th in the north (2 weeks from today)? Probably earlier most everywhere else. Why would you recommend that he start something that he is so unfamiliar with now and try a crash course in adjusting to it over 12 days?

I agree with most of your advice (he is overtrained - lifting too much and running too fast - he says so, he is undertrained - where it matters - in base training, he is improperly trained - clearly if he slipped back to 2:12 as a senior), but be careful when you give out advice like this. These kids take it as gospel. Think of what would have happened to you had someone given 12th grade Steve the advice to start running 60-65 mpw two weeks before spring season.

- A real man

Concerned . wrote:

You do realize that outdoor season starts March 9th in the north (2 weeks from today)? Probably earlier most everywhere else. Why would you recommend that he start something that he is so unfamiliar with now and try a crash course in adjusting to it over 12 days?

I agree with most of your advice (he is overtrained - lifting too much and running too fast - he says so, he is undertrained - where it matters - in base training, he is improperly trained - clearly if he slipped back to 2:12 as a senior), but be careful when you give out advice like this. These kids take it as gospel. Think of what would have happened to you had someone given 12th grade Flagpole the advice to start running 60-65 mpw two weeks before spring season.

- A real man

1) Here in Ohio, first Saturday outdoor meet isn't until April 4. 2 weeks from now is Indoor state meet, and then the National indoor meet is March 13, so we're still more than a month from the start of outdoor here in Ohio.

2) Go add that mileage up again, brother. It's not anywhere close to 65 MPW. It's actually pretty tame.

3) Finally, to the dude who said to ignore this plan, that's a bad idea. Indoor is a time to get in shape for outdoor, and 800 meter runners need base mileage. 8 miles is NOT a long run for a high school runner. Not even an hour run for most. The reason you do this work NOW before the outdoor season (which again, here in Ohio is 5+ weeks away) is to build a base so that you can do some serious speed work later on and be able to handle it, Got a guy who runs the 800 because he is jumping up from the 400, then perhaps an 8-mile run isn't necessary, but he needs to do 5-6 for a long run minimum. Can't just imagine yourself to a fast 800.

100-200-300m hills repeats could be the answer!

Can you explain how running for 6-8 miles helps an 800?

Are you of the school that an 800 is 80% aerobic?

How did I train my 14yo kid to 2.01 on 6 miles a week, then - with no long runs or steady runs or tempo runs or anything similar?

I'm going to have to disagree with people saying you need a faster 400 time. It certainly would help to get your 400 down, but not necessarily a requirement. Examples of runners I've had:

1. ~16:30 5k in XC season. Routinely ran 54.x on the 4x400 during spring, and hit 1:58 by the end of the season.

2. ~15:50 5k in XC (albeit on a very fast course). Hitting 53.x on the 4x400, and 1:56 on the 4x800 in Spring. Open he ran 1:59.

Tone down your lifting to 2-3 times a week, include more hill sprints, work on plyometrics, get more sleep. Eat not just more, but eat cleaner as well. Sub-2 often is the result of a lifestyle

Thanks everyone for the tips

What type of workouts did you and our son do?

It's possible to break 2:00 with 54 second 400 speed but I would think you'd need a lot of races under your belt. Maybe a lot of 600's in 1:27 or so.