Official SUNYAC 2014-2015 Indoor/Outdoor Track and Field

Predictions on SUNYAC team title/Individual titles?

I got Geneseo for the win. They seem to being great this year...

Cortland for the win in Men's and Women's team titles. They have too much depth in everything except distance (not a surprise...) to not win.

Oneonta for second, their sprinters have all taken a step back this season though, hopefully they'll pick it up by outdoor.

I disagree. How is oneonta lacking depth in the sprints? You underestimate them, especially since they will sweep throws and distance. They will also easily be able to hold their own in the sprints for sure.

They will be hurt in the jumps, and pole vault like usual, but will still come out with the win by 3-5 points for sure. After the 3k it will be over for Cortland.

*Nobody cares about the jumps anyways...

Oneonta poops their pants again today, when will they stop seeding their athletes absurdly high only to see them run way off their seed time?

Cortland, Brockport and Fredonia having some solid results today.

Bobby Browntown wrote:

Cortland for the win in Men's and Women's team titles. They have too much depth in everything except distance (not a surprise...) to not win.

Oneonta for second, their sprinters have all taken a step back this season though, hopefully they'll pick it up by outdoor.

Speaking of Cortland, whats up with Alex Hall transferring? Goes from Cortland's 7th man in XC to not even scoring in the 5K at the Empire 8 championships for Alfred.

Stoneonta wrote:

Oneonta poops their pants again today, when will they stop seeding their athletes absurdly high only to see them run way off their seed time?

Cortland, Brockport and Fredonia having some solid results today.

Nice. Your coach must be one of a very, very few who do not "over seed" their athletes.

It will be interesting to see if Geneseo has anyone break the 16 minute barrier at sunyacs. Maybe they will break 9 minutes too!

Stoneonta wrote:

Oneonta poops their pants again today, when will they stop seeding their athletes absurdly high only to see them run way off their seed time?

Cortland, Brockport and Fredonia having some solid results today.

^ Dumbest comment of the day by far. Honestly we are now all dumber because of it.

Are you blind? Who the heck cares what oneonta seeded their runners at? They had 3 runners in the 3k run 8:29,8:31,8:32!!!!! That's insane! Everyone should transfer to Oneonta, because I haven't seen that kind of depth in a long time. They also had 2 guys go 1:53,1:54 in the 800m which is great for their program. They are a powerhouse and I'm looking forward to what they are going to do in the future. Oneonta will continue to seed their runners absurdly high because they can run absurdly fast.

stfg wrote:

They had 3 runners in the 3k run 8:29,8:31,8:32!!!!! That's insane! Everyone should transfer to Oneonta, because I haven't seen that kind of depth in a long time.

How long?

object per men nent loss wrote:

stfg wrote:

They had 3 runners in the 3k run 8:29,8:31,8:32!!!!! That's insane! Everyone should transfer to Oneonta, because I haven't seen that kind of depth in a long time.

How long?

Never before. Name a team that had three guys run that fast, all 1,2,3 in the SUNYAC.

Cortland has had a few teams better than that, obviously when they won DIII XC nat'l champs their whole top 7+ were around that fast. Here's one example:

http://employees.oneonta.edu/lopiccmj/07SUNYACMIPLn.htm

Notice those 3k times were run on the cornell track, which is a lot slower than the BU track.

The next year as well, Cortland had two 14:30 5kers and another at 14:40.

Just because you ran a fast 3k doesn't make you the greatest trio of distance runners in SUNYAC history!

Just a few years ago, Geneseo had some guys running 8:25, 8:33, 8:36 run on Ithaca's, Cornell's and RIT's tracks, respectively. If you can believe in conversions, that would be 8:20, 8:28 and 8:31. That was before the 3k became a national event for all you youngsters.

And then even better....in 2010 (which I guess is a long time ago now) they had three guys at 8:17, 8:28, and 8:30. I believe that the 8:17 was at BU. I'm not sure if the others were on flat 200m tracks.

Way back in 2006-2007 Cortland had Andy Cloke, Cfred Joslyn and Shamus Nally running 8:30, 8:37 and 8:48. Seth Dubois ran 8:29 during the 2007-2008 indoor season. Again that was a time when the 3k was contested as a novelty or a tune up for a fast 5k. No one focused on a fast 3k qualifying time. Cortland and Geneseo have been the top distance teams for the past ten or so years for the SUNYAC but it does look like it's Oneonta's time right now.

Longo long wrote:

object per men nent loss wrote:

How long?

Never before. Name a team that had three guys run that fast, all 1,2,3 in the SUNYAC.

This was only 5 years ago.

3k: 8:17, 8:28, 8:30, 8:41, 8:44, 8:48

In the 5k: 14:30, 14:32, 14:49, 14:51, 15:00, 15:17, 15:32, 15:36

They weren't 1-3 in the conference because the conference was MUCH stronger between 2008 and 2010. If you won SUNYACS in a distance event, you had a shot at winning nationals.

theglorydayz wrote:

Longo long wrote:

Never before. Name a team that had three guys run that fast, all 1,2,3 in the SUNYAC.

http://www.tfrrs.org/all_performances/NY_college_m_Geneseo_St.html?list_hnd=601&season_hnd=132#62

This was only 5 years ago.

3k: 8:17, 8:28, 8:30, 8:41, 8:44, 8:48

In the 5k: 14:30, 14:32, 14:49, 14:51, 15:00, 15:17, 15:32, 15:36

They weren't 1-3 in the conference because the conference was MUCH stronger between 2008 and 2010. If you won SUNYACS in a distance event, you had a shot at winning nationals.

Good try, but if you take away Lee Berube (who was an Outlier by all means) that still only leaves you with 8:28, 8:30, and 8:41 in the 3k which is still slower. Also lol at you saying that if you won SUNYACS you had a shot at winning nationals! Not even close! Again Lee Berube was the only one that had a "shot" at winning nationals and he still only got 2nd in the 5k that one time. And there is no way Chichester, O'Connor, or Henchen would ever be considered to have a chance to win anything at nationals. To win nationals you would have to be able to consistently run low 14:20s in the 5k or faster. That being said, it just goes to show that with the exception of Timmy, Geneseo seriously under-develops their talent. O'Connor and Henchen were high 180 speed ratings in highschool and both low 920 2mile runners. Basically they barely improved in college. Too bad...

On the other hand Oneonta's Lupia, Didas, and Remillard who just ran faster at boston, have modest highschool times and have had impressive improvement in college. In highschool Lupia never broke 4:30 in the mile, Didas was a 9:50 3200m guy, and Remillard never even broke 10 in the 2mile.

Case closed.

Ps: And even if you were right (which there's no way you are). It just goes to show that Geneseo consistently under-performs considering the talent they are given. What happened to Billy Gabriel? Ryan Moynihan? What is Miles-Wrath doing this year? I actually wish those guys were running well, because its good for the SUNYAC, too bad they let us down.

I don't even know where to begin. Your strawman argument doesn't even make sense and isn't even related to the first argument that they have the best 1,2,3 depth in the SUNYAC in a "long time".

First, you can't just take one of Geneseo's runners out of the equation and say "case closed". Lee Berube ran for Geneseo.

Second, I believe theglorydayz was referring to all SUNYAC distance events (800m, mile, 3k, 5k, DMR) for that time period, and that the winner was in contention to win nationals (indoor and outdoor included). That is not out of possibility. Guarino (actually won nationals a few times), Berube, Novara, Geneseo's DMR, Heymann, among others I'm sure.

Third, why are you even bringing up improvement from high school? That has been argued repeatedly and ad nauseam on these boards. But it doesn't even relate at all to the original argument.

Finally, I remember a SUNYAC championship where Geneseo took 1-5 in the 3k and believe that you must be a troll.

However, your statement about high school running got me thinking (also off track of the original argument). Isn't is somewhat funny that the New York state high school championship is as competitive as the college SUNYAC. NY has kids running in the 8:50s for 2 mile/3200 m or closing 9 minute low 3200 m races in sub 60 for the last 400 m. It kind of makes 8:20-40 3k's seem slow.

All three of those Oneonta runners are going under the SUNYAC championship 3k record next week.

You heard it here first. Those guys are in great aerobic shape right now.

The thing is you still didn't meet the 2 conditions I stated.

I said there has never been 3 guys from the same team run that fast and be 1,2,3 in the SUNYAC. Period.

That being said, its interesting what you said about high school vs the SUNYAC because there's only one runner I remember that used to say that all the time and bring it up repeatability. Are you who I think you are? Veryyyy interesting...

Buffalo State swept the 800 last year 1:53, 1:53, 1:54. So yes three people from the same team have gone 1,2,3.

To the sad excuse for a person who said running between an 8:20-8:40 3k is kinda slow. I had respect for you until you said that. Running is relative. If you compare a 7:50 3k to elite athletes you could even say that's slow. What even is slow? What is fast? Some highschool runners can run sub 4. But that doesn't mean you are a slow runner if you can't run sub 4 in college. After all this is d3