Rupp, Centro, Farah, Kiprop and 1500 elites can all do 10x400 in 55??? (with 1:00 rest) ... I AM CALLING BS

I just did the equivalent for myself. I ran 3:58, that breaks down to 63.5 for 400m. I could run 10 x 63 with 60sec rest, so it's possible the guys could do that.. remember, it's anaerobic so it's mainly muscular strength.

...yes they could. At least 56

no they can't wrote:

Everyone here says that 10x400 with 1:00 rest is the ultimate predictor of 1500/mile ability, like it's the gospel or something.

3:28 for 1500 is 55.46 seconds per 400.

Are you trying to tell me these guys could run TEN 55-second 400s in a row with just 1:00 rest between them??

NO, THEY COULDN'T.

When did Centro & Rupp run 3:28?

I would be surprised if any of those runners couldn't do it.

El Guerrouj ran it in 53-54 with 30 seconds rest. Steve Scott also ran at race pace with 30 seconds rest.

If you can't run 400s at "race pace" or slightly faster with 30-60 seconds rest, you sure as hell aren't going to be able to do it with NO rest.

Rupp has done 20 x 400m at 57 seconds, 1 min rest, at 7000ft ALTITUDE, I'm pretty sure he can do half that at 55 secs while at sea level, which means, I'm pretty sure Farah could do it

Considering Kiprop was doing 3:24 1500m training I have to imagine he could do this...

I'm not too sure about Centro though...

kfqqq wrote:

I just did the equivalent for myself. I ran 3:58, that breaks down to 63.5 for 400m. I could run 10 x 63 with 60sec rest, so it's possible the guys could do that.. remember, it's anaerobic so it's mainly muscular strength.

"it's anaerobic so it's mainly muscular strength"

That is a load of bull, folks. It's anaerobic so it taxes the anaerobic system. That's it. In no way does that workout give you an idea on the athlete's muscular strength.

Muscular strength is the ability for a muscle (or muscle groups) to exert a maximal effort for a single effort. (think 1RM).

While I agree that you can do that workout and all those elite 1500m runners can do 10x400 @ 55s, your terminology is BS.

kfqqq wrote:

I just did the equivalent for myself. I ran 3:58, that breaks down to 63.5 for 400m. I could run 10 x 63 with 60sec rest, so it's possible the guys could do that.. remember, it's anaerobic so it's mainly muscular strength.

45% aerobic (probably 90% in my case).

Former coach here.

I had a 13:50 runner (workout warrior) who ran 20*400m in 60.9 with 59 seconds rest. He had zero foot speed.

A 1:49/2:20/3:42 guy would run12*300s in 39 avg with 45-50 seconds rest walk.

You'd be surprised what good runners do in workouts. You'd be even more suprised what great ones do.

coach d wrote:

El Guerrouj ran it in 53-54 with 30 seconds rest. Steve Scott also ran at race pace with 30 seconds rest.

Prove it. I think you're lying.

coach d wrote:

If you can't run 400s at "race pace" or slightly faster with 30-60 seconds rest, you sure as hell aren't going to be able to do it with NO rest.

Huh? You talk about being able to "run 400s" as if it doesn't matter how many. Obviously they can do 4x400m at race pace since they can do 1609m at mile pace. But you get that there's a difference between running 4 vs 10 400s, right?

NOP Skeptic wrote:

Rupp has done 20 x 400m at 57 seconds, 1 min rest, at 7000ft ALTITUDE

Source?

hahahaha wrote:

A 1:49/2:20/3:42 guy would run12*300s in 39 avg with 45-50 seconds rest walk.

BS.

I have seen they way runners and coaches treat "45 seconds rest." You notice that it takes you 45 seconds to jog back to the start between rep #1 and #2, then call that the rest for the whole set. Even though you're taking twice as long as soon as it gets hard.

Even in that video of Rupp and Levins they are taking like 3:00 between reps.

Between the usual bent-over histrionics after each interval, getting over to the 300m start and setting for the next interval, you are LYING if you are saying ANYONE does that in 45 seconds for the last few.

Just look at this workout:

http://www.flotrack.org/coverage/251075-Workout-Wednesday-Season-8/video/730801-Rupp-Levins-Cain-and-Moser-Huge-workout-after-BU-Recordsmov

Rupp and Levins:

2 x 800/400 (2:00/54)

2-3 x 400 (54s)

And this is with MASSIVE REST. Rupp BAILS on the last 400.

And you're saying he can do 10 400s straight at 1:00 rest??

BS.

NOBODY can do 10x400 at an ELITE race pace with a TRUE 1:00 rest. There is no proof of elites managing this. Amateurs who have just haven't raced near their potential yet so they don't even know real RACE PACE.

Let me guess, you're the same moron telling us last week about how David Torrence's workout was way too easy.

Give it a rest

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Paul Tergat would run 20x400 in 55. You better believe El G could do 20x400 in 52! Alan Webb used to do 52- 55s relaxed and smooth.

It's not the number or the pace. It's the TIME. Most mere mortals are running 300m reps in 50-55. 10x300 in 55 doesn't sound so crazy does it?

You are wrong. During a 300 rep set, the 100m walk back is your 45-50 second rest. The first few reps you have to slow down your athlete from taking off to early, the last few you have to push them to get to the start line. No one is lying to you, it isn't hard to get a person to keep walking as they finish a 300 rep. The first 20ms of the 100m walk they are slowing down from the interval. So basically they have to walk 80m in 40 seconds. At 2 meters a second that is a over 14 minute a mile pace to get back to the start.... This isn't high school

no they can't wrote:

hahahaha wrote:

A 1:49/2:20/3:42 guy would run12*300s in 39 avg with 45-50 seconds rest walk.

BS.

I have seen they way runners and coaches treat "45 seconds rest." You notice that it takes you 45 seconds to jog back to the start between rep #1 and #2, then call that the rest for the whole set. Even though you're taking twice as long as soon as it gets hard.

Even in that video of Rupp and Levins they are taking like 3:00 between reps.

Between the usual bent-over histrionics after each interval, getting over to the 300m start and setting for the next interval, you are LYING if you are saying ANYONE does that in 45 seconds for the last few.

What champions do wrote:

Paul Tergat would run 20x400 in 55. You better believe El G could do 20x400 in 52! Alan Webb used to do 52- 55s relaxed and smooth.

Not with ONE MINUTE REST they didn't

52??? For 20x400 with 1:00 rest. Just shut up!!!!

Are you CRAZY?

hahahahaha wrote:

You are wrong. During a 300 rep set, the 100m walk back is your 45-50 second rest. The first few reps you have to slow down your athlete from taking off to early, the last few you have to push them to get to the start line.

You are TOTALLY PROVING MY POINT.

You THINK they are walking that distance and taking only 45 SECONDS between the finish line and actually RUNNING again, but it is MUCH more while you are "pushing them to get to the start."

If I actually stand with a stopwatch and timed the rest on the "CLASSIC 10x400 with 1:00 rest" you are all pretending to do, the rest would probably go from 55 seconds to 1:25 over the course of 9 breaks.

no they can't wrote:

Just look at this workout:

http://www.flotrack.org/coverage/251075-Workout-Wednesday-Season-8/video/730801-Rupp-Levins-Cain-and-Moser-Huge-workout-after-BU-Recordsmov

Rupp and Levins:

2 x 800/400 (2:00/54)

2-3 x 400 (54s)

And this is with MASSIVE REST. Rupp BAILS on the last 400.

And you're saying he can do 10 400s straight at 1:00 rest??

BS.

NOBODY can do 10x400 at an ELITE race pace with a TRUE 1:00 rest. There is no proof of elites managing this. Amateurs who have just haven't raced near their potential yet so they don't even know real RACE PACE.

Wasn't the the workout after his 5k? He ran a 13:01 like half an hour beforehand, dumb ass.