The coach who lost should be the one getting suspended/fired.
Things like this are rarely the result of one person's error.
There are situations where population centers are sparse and you can only compete against a few different schools, which often involve small schools. Normal talent cycles can result in teams of disparate abilities facing one another. When these clashes of teams with radically different abilities is further complicated by illness/injury taking out even those with modest ability on the weaker team, it can get ugly. If these competitions take place toward the end of the season when you're trying to get a team tournament ready, it puts the better team in a awkward situation.
Since this competition occurred in Los Angeles and it's mid-season, I would say there was a failure on the part of both Athletic Directors and coaches. Why was this game scheduled? Based on what has been published the disparate abilities was well-known before the game. If it was a conference game, the Arroyo coach should have started the reserves and rested the varsity - it's not like they were going to get much out of playing this game. In XC would Colorado really load up their varsity against a local community college?
I think it's clear that the Arroyo coach made a number of errors of judgement. Is he a horrible human being? No, but in a scholastic setting he clearly lost sight of the big picture in that situation. A two game suspension isn't going to appreciably harm anyone and will send a reminder message to all coaches in the area that there's more being a good coach than winning games by impressive margins.
There is more to the story than this. The winning team is good, one of the best teams in CA, maybe the nation. They lost one game this season (so far), by 2 points. The losing team is bad, one of the worst teams in CA, they've won 0 games this far this season and half the time don't even score double digit points. Drubbings are not unusual for them, thought they typically only lose by 40 some points. They lost a game by 91 earlier in the season to a team that Arroyo, the team that beat them in this game beat by 50. So this sort of thing should have been expected, maybe not quite this bad. The winning coach should have put in all his reserves after the first quarter and had them just run a bunch of weird, crazy plays or something. Would the losing coach have been happy if the final score was 99 to 15? There was no way this game was going to be competitive.
If he was using a full court press when he was up by 80+ points, then yes a two game suspension was warranted and appropriate.
Also, this game shouldn't have been scheduled in the first place (as someone else mentioned).
tycobb wrote:
If he was using a full court press when he was up by 80+ points, then yes a two game suspension was warranted and appropriate.
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Congratulations! You've made the dumbest comment of the month!
This is very upsetting. I'm glad the coach got suspended. And I truly hope the team with 2 points got their trophies/medals for participating.
If it was me coaching I would have pressed the whole game, and played everyone.
If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.
Let's change the scenario - to HS XC or track.
The top 5 guys of team A go through 2 miles in 10:00, another team of no-talent slackers who just don't give a fvck, team B hit the first mile in 10:00. Should team A have to stop at mile 2?
3200m race on the track: Average Let's Run HS Kid has a lap to go in his quest for a mediocre sub 9:40 while another kid who got all of his training advice from Runner's World, still has a mile to go but is having fun! He will finish, and finishing is winning! Average Let's Run HS Kid's coach yell's for him to stop and walk the next 200m.
Does anyone have a problem with these two scenarios?
No, let's not change the scenario. Why create completely different situations when we can just talk about what actually happened, which was not so complicated that we need an analogy to understand it?
IMO, winning a HS game by this much is just poor sportsmanship, both by whoever scheduled the game and by the coaches.
Clearly, winning a race by a MILE is poor sportsmanship!
Ghrelin wrote:
No, let's not change the scenario. Why create completely different situations when we can just talk about what actually happened, which was not so complicated that we need an analogy to understand it?
IMO, winning a HS game by this much is just poor sportsmanship, both by whoever scheduled the game and by the coaches.
Ghrelin wrote:
No, let's not change the scenario. Why create completely different situations when we can just talk about what actually happened, which was not so complicated that we need an analogy to understand it?
IMO, winning a HS game by this much is just poor sportsmanship, both by whoever scheduled the game and by the coaches.
Losing a game by that much is poor form. You practice the sport every day of your life, and still can't score more than once in a whole game?
Sportsmanship is one lesson to be learned through scholastic athletics, but competitiveness and excellence are also lessons you should learn. Get on the court and compete.
angry willy wrote:
Let's change the scenario - to HS XC or track.
The top 5 guys of team A go through 2 miles in 10:00, another team of no-talent slackers who just don't give a fvck, team B hit the first mile in 10:00. Should team A have to stop at mile 2?
3200m race on the track: Average Let's Run HS Kid has a lap to go in his quest for a mediocre sub 9:40 while another kid who got all of his training advice from Runner's World, still has a mile to go but is having fun! He will finish, and finishing is winning! Average Let's Run HS Kid's coach yell's for him to stop and walk the next 200m.
Does anyone have a problem with these two scenarios?
This would be far more similar to the best team in the state taking on the weakest team in the state in a dual meet and loading up every event to make sure the other team doesn't score a point. This game should have never been scheduled, but if it was a conference game and unavoidable, then as a coach I would put in JV/freshmen and might even put them in events that aren't their primary events to challenge them - creating good competitive situations that all can learn from.
I would adjust the training schedule for the week to enable the varsity guys to get in an additional workout that would be far more beneficial, and would create an easy/off day for those nursing niggling injuries.
I would crush you without mercy! I'd been holding back all my talented athletes for this very occasion! I'd have 4 milers under 4:12, 5 3200 runners under 9:23, the best pole vaulters, the top decathletes, a sub 1:46 800 guy. The dual meet is where it is at! All my athletes would get our state qualifiers here, and you would be humiliated, hanging your head in shame as you get on the bus to go back to your school after losing what was supposed to be an easy dual meet by over 100 points! I'm the best coach in the state!
My local girls team was the worst in the district for a couple years and always had to play the best team in the district (and state) the first game of the tournament. I went to watch the game the last year.
The first quarter the good team played their regular style and was ahead like 27-2. The second quarter they played the second team but played the same style. They were ahead like 50-8. The 3rd quarter the starters played again but did not press and if they got a steal, they were not allowed to fastbreak. They slowed it up and ran plays. The 4th quarter the second team did the same thing. They still beat us like 88-18 but everybody went away happy.
Point-shaving is a crime. You have to do your best.
What a smart and adult response.
You must be new here.
This is one of the reasons why women's sports suck so much. There is just not enough talent to go around. A small high school with no athletic girls is just screwed against a team with a few legit players.
NCAA women's basketball has the same problem. There is way to much of a talent gap from the top to the bottom teams.
fred wrote:
If it was me coaching I would have pressed the whole game, and played everyone.
If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.
Yes, but you are a c unt and everybody is already aware of that.
baller wrote:
Point-shaving is a crime. You have to do your best.
Lol. Yeah, that's why football teams take a knee at the end of a game. Or if they're up by 4 TD's, they only run the ball and stop passing.
Am I living in the twilight zone? The Boston Marathon weather was terrible!
Is there a rule against attaching a helium balloon to yourself while running a road race?
How rare is it to run a sub 5 minute mile AND bench press 225?
Move over Mark Coogan, Rojo and John Kellogg share their 3 favorite mile workouts
Mark Coogan says that if you could only do 3 workouts as a 1500m runner you should do these
Matt Choi was drinking beer halfway through the Boston Marathon