athletes currently serving doping suspensions by country

I've never heard of any of these Indians. Amazing so many of them cheat without even being world class. Russia and Turkey should be suspended from international competition for 8 years. Miss 2 olympiads, and maybe then we'll see them try to clean things up. Scum.

These numbers can be deceptive for several reasons. In addition to how many are actually doping, the number of people from each country who get caught is going to be function of 1) how many athletes from each country to begin with, 2) sofistication of doping programs, 3) capabilities of national anti-doping agencies, 4) corruption in national governing body which might cover up positive tests.

Those are kind of a given, but yes, you should consider them when making interpretations of the numbers of people.

Brazil's numbers are way down since the last time someone posted this list. Nice to see the U.S. out of the top five, whatever the reason.

Dingler wrote:

These numbers can be deceptive for several reasons. In addition to how many are actually doping, the number of people from each country who get caught is going to be function of 1) how many athletes from each country to begin with, 2) sofistication of doping programs, 3) capabilities of national anti-doping agencies, 4) corruption in national governing body which might cover up positive tests.

Correct

Very few of the the clever covert British dopers get busted

Edward Teach wrote:

I've never heard of any of these Indians. Amazing so many of them cheat without even being world class.

It goes to show that doping doesn't turn talentless people into superstars.

Also,

Could they run the percentages of dopers vs total competitors.

The U.S. with 10 is not great, but when you factor in the huge number of participants, it would not seem to be nearly as bad as some other countries.

Any Which Way But Loose wrote:

Also,

Could they run the percentages of dopers vs total competitors.

The U.S. with 10 is not great, but when you factor in the huge number of participants, it would not seem to be nearly as bad as some other countries.

Well the US is good at getting sentences reduced

Take a look at the all time doping list and the US is well up there. The whole basis of US track success over the years is down to sprints & power events ie Doping so claiming countries like Russia should be banned is a bit pot and kettle.

At this point, to think most Russian athletes were not doping would be ignorant. This is a list of American Athletes that lost out to Russians directly for Medals.

“As many as 99% of Russian athletes are guilty of doping, a German TV documentary has alleged.” –BBC Sport

We all know what went on. The question is what will be done about it.

These are the Americans that clearly lost out on Titles, Honors, Money, and even Contracts.

Derek Miles (Pole Vault) Bronze Olympic Games (OG) – ’08

Shareese Woods (400m) Gold Indoor World Champs (iWC) – ‘08

US 4x400 Relays Silver iWC - ‘08

Andra Manson (High Jump) Silver iWC – ‘08

Brad Walker (Pole Vault) Gold iWC – ‘08

Jenny Simpson (3000m) Bronze WC – ‘09

Anna Willard (800m) Bronze iWC ‘10

Dusty Jonas (High Jump) Gold iWC ‘10

Jessie Williams (High Jump) Bronze iWC ‘ 10

Francena McCorory (400m) Bronze World Champs (WC) – ‘11

Natasha Hastings (400m) Silver iWC - ‘12

Will Claye (Long Jump) Bronze iWC – ‘12

Lashinda Demus (400H) Gold OG – ‘12

Janay Deloach (Long Jump) Silver OG – ‘12

Jason Richardson (110H) Bronze WC – ‘13

Brenda Martinez (800) Silver WC – ‘13

-Multiple Medals-

Bridgetta Barrett (High Jump) Gold OG – ’12 / Gold WC – ‘13

Jenn Suhr (Pole Vault) Gold iWC – ’08 / Gold OG – ’08 / Gold WC – ’13 / Bronze WC – ’11

Note: would also hold 8 more World Records

Alysia Johnson Montano (800m) Silver iWC – ’10 / Bronze WC – ’11 / Bronze OG – ’12 / Bronze WC – ‘13

So India with such a big population has not talent at all. Is that what you're saying?

sbeefyk1 wrote:

Edward Teach wrote:

I've never heard of any of these Indians. Amazing so many of them cheat without even being world class.

It goes to show that doping doesn't turn talentless people into superstars.

'At this point, to think most Russian athletes were not doping would be ignorant. This is a list of American Athletes that lost out to Russians directly for Medals.'

Can you also provide a list of athletes who have lost out to medal from American doping athletes.

Start off with Jones, Gatlin, Gay & Merritt that should keep you busy for a while.

ukathleticscoach wrote:

'At this point, to think most Russian athletes were not doping would be ignorant. This is a list of American Athletes that lost out to Russians directly for Medals.'

Can you also provide a list of athletes who have lost out to medal from American doping athletes.

Start off with Jones, Gatlin, Gay & Merritt that should keep you busy for a while.

No problem. Just link me to the documentary where 99% of American athletes were accused of doping with USA Track and Field approval.

ukathleticscoach wrote:

Any Which Way But Loose wrote:

Also,

Could they run the percentages of dopers vs total competitors.

The U.S. with 10 is not great, but when you factor in the huge number of participants, it would not seem to be nearly as bad as some other countries.

Well the US is good at getting sentences reduced

Take a look at the all time doping list and the US is well up there. The whole basis of US track success over the years is down to sprints & power events ie Doping so claiming countries like Russia should be banned is a bit pot and kettle.

The IAAF, IOC and WADA has always been extremely unforgiving for any misdeeds by the U.S. weather it involves competition, administrative or doping. If the U.S. misspells a name on an entry form, reports 1 minute late to an event, takes one step out of their lane, etc., and we will be disqualified. This is a fact and we inform our athletes, coaches and administrators that no one is going to cut them a break. In terms of "the US is good at getting sentences reduced"; the most stringent penalties WADA allows has been handed down to U.S. athletes and it is important to note that in the last decade almost all of those U.S. athletes have been caught by USADA. We are catching our dirty athletes. Perhaps you are referring to the Tyson Gay situation; WADA and USADA did reach an agreement with Gay based primarily on 2 things, one proving his doping was limited to a short time period and a full disclosure, Gay complied on both fronts. Gay was able to provide stored blood for retesting from up to 2009 when was a member of a special anti-doping program...Gay was not a career doper. In terms of a full disclosure, Gay provided USADA/WADA, with process/procedure, actual drug samples and names of co-conspirator. Basically, it amounts to a plea bargain, the origins of which comes from the English system of jurisprudence. Agree -or disagree with the Gay situation, you can't make a statement about an entire country over one athlete.

re: "Take a look at the all time doping list and the US is well up there." The whole basis of US track success over the years is down to sprints & power events". - When I look at the closest thing I could come up with to an all time list, what I see is Eastern European and Chinese athletes who participated in systematic doping programs and were never caught, what I see on the U.S. side is about half dozen names like Charles Francis, Remi Korchemny, Chuck DeBus, Trevor Graham, Angel Heredia, Mark Block and Victor Conte...remove those names from the U.S. lexicon and our doping issues almost go away. The point being, you can't compare individuals and disparate groups in the U.S. to what's occurring in Russia and Turkey.

And, btw, the U.S. does not only do well in sprints & power events, over the last decade, we have won global championship medals in World Cross Country and track events from the 800m to the marathon. The fact is, outside of Kenya and Ethiopia, is ranked 3 in endurance events.