According to Obama they were supposed to go down.
According to Obama they were supposed to go down.
DAMN YOU OBAMA!!!
Gee, I don't know what happened to you. Everyone else is paying soooo much less. Remember, Obama said that the average premium for everyone would go DOWN $2,500 a year, and that if you liked your doctor and your healthcare plan you could keep them . . . LOL. Sucker.
You're young and healthy. The liberals have a sick need to punish people for doing everything right and reward failure.
My premium increase this year will be waaaay smaller than last year.
Two possibilities:
1. You're full of crap
2. You're a troll
Mine haven't changed, Obamacare will bring them down not raise them.
post what offers you receive when you go to the health care website and post what premiums you had beforehand, plus age/gender/state.
You're a liar.Everyone I know says theirs gone down.
I notice you gopers don't talk about the economy
anymore since you've lost that argument.
Shut up and pay.
Your employer is passing more of the cost onto you. It's happening all over.
Did the ACA dismantle the Fee-For-Service health care structure in the US? No.
Did the ACA stop the insurance industry from needlessly being involved in every single transaction between producer and consumer? No, they are even more embedded than ever.
Did the ACA hurt the profitability of the insurance industry (especially since they were often the villian in Obama's campaign)? No, they're thriving.
Did the ACA reduce the demand for health care in any meaningful way? No, it greatly increases demand for care.
So we still have a FFS structure (enormously inefficient by nature)...with a middle man involved in every transaction (also outrageously inefficient)...while insurance companies' profits go unscathed...while both individual demand and the demand curve itself have been moved to the right...and we subsidize mainly based on income, regardless of health risk level...
...and some of you really don't believe that premiums and deductables (even worse!) are significantly rising? Regardless of if employers are passing more of the cost on to consumers more or not, the root causes (see my questions above) of the actual COST of care resulting from this idiotic system have not been addressed. Employers aren't "paying less" in nominal terms; they're paying less in real terms because ultimately the true cost of care has not been addressed.
We've been duped.
Mine have gone down. There are several provisions of the ACA that everyone can use to save 40-60%, but are not advertised well.
alanson wrote:
Mine have gone down. There are several provisions of the ACA that everyone can use to save 40-60%, but are not advertised well.
Unless you are the exception, if you have Obamacare, you are receiving a subsidy. Over 80% who signed up last year, are getting "free" or very low premiums because they are the deadbeats of society who fail to earn a decent living. The other taxpayers are being forced to pay for their own premiums as well as subsidize the deadbeats. Consequently, the hard working American's premiums have soared.
Bah humbug. I subsidize everyone. I'm always amazed how people who benefit so much from the tax code will get upset when someone else does. I paid nearly $15k in fed income tax last year because I have no kids, no mortgage, etc. My loser brother-in-law pays virtually nothing in federal income tax due to having the writeoffs (kids). Of course he and his family use far more services that I do and pay nothing for them. And he complains bitterly about Obamacare raising "his" taxes.
So while I suppose a subsidy for Obamacare is a bad thing, the people complaining should take a good hard look at what deductions and subsidies they get. My guess? Most are getting something. So don't complain when someone else does.
Yearly increases in total healthcare costs have plummeted since 2008, so what fictional universe are you living in in which you'd imply the opposite?
"Yearly increases in total healthcare costs have plummeted since 2008" ??
With BS like that, you should join the conservative side:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/danmunro/2013/05/22/annual-healthcare-costs-surpasses-22000/
The truth is exactly the opposite of what you're saying, particularly for families. And that doesn't include the "grand theft auto" being pulled on the young healthy to pay for others that are being given subsidies by the government.
They have done NOTHING to control costs. All they have done is shift who pays the bill.
freeloader wrote:
alanson wrote:Mine have gone down. There are several provisions of the ACA that everyone can use to save 40-60%, but are not advertised well.
Unless you are the exception, if you have Obamacare, you are receiving a subsidy. Over 80% who signed up last year, are getting "free" or very low premiums because they are the deadbeats of society who fail to earn a decent living. The other taxpayers are being forced to pay for their own premiums as well as subsidize the deadbeats. Consequently, the hard working American's premiums have soared.
So some people who used to pay nothing are now paying something. How is this bad?
Tinfoil Hat wrote:
Bah humbug. I subsidize everyone. I'm always amazed how people who benefit so much from the tax code will get upset when someone else does. I paid nearly $15k in fed income tax last year because I have no kids, no mortgage, etc. My loser brother-in-law pays virtually nothing in federal income tax due to having the writeoffs (kids). Of course he and his family use far more services that I do and pay nothing for them. And he complains bitterly about Obamacare raising "his" taxes.
So while I suppose a subsidy for Obamacare is a bad thing, the people complaining should take a good hard look at what deductions and subsidies they get. My guess? Most are getting something. So don't complain when someone else does.
$15K in federal income tax?? If I paid such a small amount, I wouldn't be complaining either. If you make a decent income, there are few deductions to take. Many deductions have income qualifications.
I don't know about since 2008, but your article did have this sentence that agreed with the post you were trying to refute.
“For the second consecutive year, the increase over the prior year on a percentage basis was the lowest in the history of the study—and yet the total-dollar increase still exceeded $1,300 for the fourth year in a row,”
I ran some quick numbers from that article and the yearly increases have been:
2003: 10.1%
2004: 10.1%
2005: 9.1%
2006: 9.6%
2007: 8.4%
2008: 7.6%
2009: 7.4%
2010: 7.8%
2011: 7.3%
2012: 6.9%
2013: 6.3%
your quick calculation doesn't account for the fact that increases this year and next year (and all years going forward with obamacare) also come with much WORSE coverage. higher deductibles, less procedures covered, less doctors covered, less hospitals covered, higher costs for drugs, etc.
also, some of us saw MUCH higher increases. mine was +34% this year and looks like it will be around +10% this year and that is for much worse coverage.
you also forgot to account for the 3.8% surcharge that some of us have to pay on income above $200,000. that nifty new surcharge massively will increase your numbers.