Rita Jeptoo tests positive

I think you're confusing rita and priscah - rita was never planning to run nycm.

so

what race was rita aiming for if epo +ve for A, in september/october/november ?

i partly agree with canova as epo being pretty useless for elite kenyan distance runners

they have huge natural haematocrit -> endurance

( ask mo who used to train with them & how hard they run

see that 1/2 M recently when 3rd tier kenyan couda broke him at 15 - 18k but backed off & let mo win & mo was gasping after how hard it was when the 3rd-tierer was pushing it & he barely managed to stay within kicking distance until 3rd-tierer eased off at 18k & mo did "expected" last 400 - inseminate his most proferred orifice

where is that

"fixed-mo-0.5M win"

thread ???

what does it say about intrinsic ability if a 3rd-tierer basically run mo into the ground but maya been paid to back off ??? )

if kenyans were doping, the dope woud be steroids not rubbish epo with marginal gains

steroids + lotta steaks

( beef/goat or dik-dik is best back there )

is best

there are helluva lotta kids back there capable of 1'42/1'43 off just basic training

canova has already said if they trained like in mo/rupp's/salz's camp the wouda be helluva lot faster

if/when you see an elite kenyan 800er at

6'0 / 170 - 175

then you have a doping problem, because that guy will probably be running

~ 1'39-low/mid

Shrugs wrote:

Who cares what you "believe?"

Believing someone dopes and having evidence they dope are completely different.

Nobody saw no one injecting EPO, only teammates and coaches or doctorS. But that doesn't mean that elite athletes don't take EPO.

ventolin^3 wrote:

i partly agree with canova as epo being pretty useless for elite kenyan distance runners

they have huge natural haematocrit -> endurance

EPO does not only influence haematocrit.

I actually really feel bad for Jeptoo right now. She is either guilty, and must now absolutely regret it in a state of total shock, or she is innocent and is also in shock and will always have a tainted image.

A few notes.

- there are supposedly hundreds of different analogues of EPO, most of which supposedly can't be tested for. if she has bad handlers with a shady past it may be that she was assured she would never test positive. Rosa has a history I would be scared to be associated with.

- the EPO test is NOT a black and white situation. it's a matter of saying with a high degree of certainty that someone either is or is not guilty of using. it's why the B sample test is extremely important. believe it or not, scientists have been wrong before!

- my gut feeling: she is guilty of using a substance that probably helped her run 2-3 minutes faster than she otherwise could, but more importantly it helped her do so much more consistently. in cycling they say the blood doping or epo helps the absolute power outputs to an extent, but it's the ability to repeat huge efforts that makes it "real" cheating.

ventolin^3 wrote:

if kenyans were doping, the dope woud be steroids not rubbish epo with marginal gains

Agreed.

Top marathoners don't lack aerobic capacity, they lack the strength to keep it together for 26 miles at top speed.

wineturtle wrote:

I remember when we had a ban brush spikes, thick-soled HJ shoes and reindeer milk movement going on.

http://chasingzatopek.wordpress.com/2013/09/16/lasse-viren-and-the-reindeer-milk-diet/

The Kenyans are on reindeer milk!

'i woud get get peak geoffrey/dennis/wilson/manny/patrick/sammy at lot better than 26'17wr if they'd run rested/good-paced to 1/2-way 10ks at their M peak off just M training'

Does it ever occur to you that an athlete might be better at a certain distance than another ie Bekele had more speed than any of them and would have murdered them over 5/10km at his peak

I think the EPO test is for synthetic EPO. There's a big difference between water and hormones. And the earth is not flat, believe it.

J.R. wrote:

agip wrote:

Athletics Kenya's vice president, Jackson Tuwei, said the International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF) had revealed a positive 'A' sample test for the blood-boosting drug Erythropoietin (EPO).

All this time we thought it was a naturally occurring substance.

What is next, banning water.

Oh first there has to be a drug that simulates water.

Then we can ban anyone who drinks water, especially those pesky Kenyans, Russians, Chinese (and anyone else who runs faster than us).

She just won Chicago.

ventolin^3 wrote:

so

what race was rita aiming for if epo +ve for A, in september/october/november ?

I concur too. I think she should get a lifetime ban. That is not asking too much. That is the only way a message can be sent to our (Kenyan athletes).

Also, she should never be allowed to go anywhere near AK training faciilites or even interact with any athlete (especially the youth).

Unbelievably horrible news!

I bet a lot of runners drink synthetic water, i.e. fruit juices, vegetable juices, tea, coffee, milk (yuck). Omg, all these people are dopers! They are drinking synthetic water, and that is not natural!The synthetic water must have magical powers!

phantom wrote:

I think the EPO test is for synthetic EPO. There's a big difference between water and hormones. And the earth is not flat, believe it.

J.R. wrote:

All this time we thought it was a naturally occurring substance.

What is next, banning water.

Oh first there has to be a drug that simulates water.

Then we can ban anyone who drinks water, especially those pesky Kenyans, Russians, Chinese (and anyone else who runs faster than us).

This is why times are faster, than they were in 1933.

ukathleticscoach wrote:

'i woud get get peak geoffrey/dennis/wilson/manny/patrick/sammy at lot better than 26'17wr if they'd run rested/good-paced to 1/2-way 10ks at their M peak off just M training'

Does it ever occur to you that an athlete might be better at a certain distance than another ie Bekele had more speed than any of them and would have murdered them over 5/10km at his peak

indeed..

6 guys way faster than Bekele over 10000 off marathon training

makes sense not

MTRaceTimer wrote:

If true, she would have costed Buzunesh Deba $100,000 ($150,000 for first against the $75,000 for second place, and then $25,000 CR bonus). Ridiculous. Drug cheats should also be charged with theft. Make an example of Jeptoo and ban for life. It's something that USATF can't understand.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Deba with West Side Runners?

I'm pretty sure there have been a couple of positive tests out of that group.

I think it is impossible to know how prevalent doping is at the top ranks, so we are stuck with our beliefs. Without positive tests we don't have proof, but it's not far-fetched to think that many people could cheat without getting caught. Believing is different than knowing.

This is a concise and interesting take on this unhappy subject. If all is as it appears, then I can only say that it is yet another athletic tragedy. PEDs are not just cheating; they can be dangerous. Why take them? And if one does, how can one live with oneself? Is there anything worse than an empty victory?

This is yet another reason why we should all go out tomorrow and enjoy our long runs. We should be happy to know that it is what it truly is, and nothing else.

but they wud still get sponsors i guess....