if 9 million Americans are unemployed and another 90 million aren't working

They can work in the plant where they manufacture green cards.

those 90 million people aren't working because they are too old, to young, in school, disabled, or in prison.

Many of the other 9 million can't find the jobs in their chosen career path, but that doesn't mean that they would be well suited or be willing to work in the jobs that people from other countries would.

And what you're going to say is that people would be willing to work as farm hand and the like if immigrants didn't depress the wages for native born Americans. But why should native born Americans be entitled to an inflated salary while foreigners live in poverty?

CLOSE THE BORDERS

1000 curses on the progressives you wish to destroy this nation due to some twisted, drug-addled guilt in their damaged psyches.

Or you could issue them Haz-mat suits and get them jobs

wiping up explosive diarrhea in the Ebola Hospitals.

I see help wanted signs all over the place. Anyone who wants to work can find a job.

The bipartisan plan to destroy the middle class proceeds nicely. Move along. Nothing to see here.

Foot fetish wrote:

I see help wanted signs all over the place. Anyone who wants to work can find a job.

The real problem of today is that jobs are overall getting crappier as the income(-->education) gap widens. Middle-class/above average income jobs that any dumb*ss could still work are becoming somewhat of a rarity in many places.

Remember

- anyone getting an amnesty is already here and is either working or at school.

In 2013 just under 1 million were issued, the lowest number in a decade.

If the Senate Bill is passed, then the estimates from a conservative group are as follows

2015 - 3,892,997

2016 - 2,049,552

2017 - 2,049,552

2018 - 2,049,552

2019 - 5,419,552

2020 - 2,061,852

2021 - 2,128,467

2022 - 2,078,413

2023 - 2,083,406

2024 - 9,243,603

https://www.numbersusa.com/content/files/10-Year_LPR_Numbers.pdf

It's mainly driven by the fact that with globalization, the dumb8sses in the rest of the world can do just as good of a job as the dumb8sses in the US, and be happy doing it for 15% of the pay because they don't feel entitled to a new truck or house like the dumb8sses in the US. That's the biggest threat of these migrants to the lower middle class, they bring their shitty living standards and low wage expectations with them across the border. I'm from Ohio and now live in California. In Ohio, most construction workers and general laborers are still white. Out here they're 90% Mexican.

Fundamental transformation wrote:

The how can we possibly need 34 million new green cards? What are these people going to do?

And what exactly do you think that the folks who are working do? Any chance it might be providing goods and services to other folks?

And if we have immigrants, any chance that they will also be consumers of goods and services?

So, what exactly is your logic that suggests that adding immigrants somehow creates fewer jobs than are needed to employ said immigrants?

Just Do It Dood wrote:

In Ohio, most construction workers and general laborers are still white.

Can confirm

Not dumb wrote:

those 90 million people aren't working because they are too old, to young, in school, disabled, or in prison.?

Wrong, those 90 million are able bodied people not in the wrkforce, including 10 to 15 million who are not actively looking because of no prospects caused by Obama.

Not dumb wrote:

that doesn't mean that they would be well suited or be willing to work in the jobs that people from other countries would.

A rhetorical myth, employers just refuse to hire anyone else. Farms, for example, will only hire migrants because they have all the experience and a union too. I've picked grapes and I know it's impossible to compete with them at it.

Before world war 2, farm work was done by American drifters. There are still plenty of drifters around but they no longer qualify for "unskilled" labor like farm work because they don't have the skills. The economy is corrupt with employers seeking cheap ways out of paying for what labor's worth. And dumpster divers collecting bottles because they can't even get on the day-labor truck.

The roman republic faced the same situation when it started expanding. With so many new slaves, there were no jobs for roman citizens. It soon collapsed into political chaos and eventual autocracy.

No one would cross the border if we locked up all the drivers of the day laborer trucks. If any of your labor doesn't have papers, you should spend some time in jail.

Let the free market take care of companies who hire illegals or immigrants working for peanuts.

Just Do It Dood wrote:

It's mainly driven by the fact that with globalization, the dumb8sses in the rest of the world can do just as good of a job as the dumb8sses in the US, and be happy doing it for 15% of the pay because they don't feel entitled to a new truck or house like the dumb8sses in the US. That's the biggest threat of these migrants to the lower middle class, they bring their shitty living standards and low wage expectations with them across the border. I'm from Ohio and now live in California. In Ohio, most construction workers and general laborers are still white. Out here they're 90% Mexican.

Was Ohio ever part of Mexico?

okngr0i3 wrote:

No one would cross the border if we locked up all the drivers of the day laborer trucks. If any of your labor doesn't have papers, you should spend some time in jail.

How do you plan on keeping social security afloat after removing the millions of illegal immigrants that are paying into it without withdrawing benefits?

Jeff Wigand wrote:

How do you plan on keeping social security afloat after removing the millions of illegal immigrants that are paying into it without withdrawing benefits?

That's a really good point.

Fundamental transformation wrote:

Wrong, those 90 million are able bodied people not in the wrkforce, including 10 to 15 million who are not actively looking because of no prospects caused by Obama.

I love people like you. So out of a population of 317 million, 90 million are able-bodied workers who aren't working. Looking at the demographics, about 13% (41 million) of the population is over 65. Another 26% (around 80 million) are 19 or under. Meaning that of the potential 196 million people ages 20-64 who could be working, 90 million are not. Yeah, 45% unemployment. Whatever, buddy.