Section 8 housing: the epitome of liberal ignorance and unfairness

Yes, it chaps my ass to be paying for apartments--sometimes nicer than my own but for which I don't qualify because I make "too much money. That and all the other freebies that people say the government is giving them (most of them are totally ignorant about who actually pays for this stuff) make America not a Republic, but a socialist country.

A) very fair

B) solves a problem (puts people in apartments)

C) benefits them equally

thanks Shawn. I was recently talking to someone about the definition of 'fair'. She kept bringing up examples that proved her perspective of 'fair' without considering the other side of the equation.

Is sounds 'fair' to 'give someone a chance' until you fully consider the consequences of what a full government program results in: deteriorating neighborhood/community, increased taxes, and often times minimal progress/advancement of the individual meant to be helped.

The real winners are the landlords who would have to drop their rent to get tenants easier. Or would have to sell a stagnant property at lower price. Also the government doesn't have to build nor maintain housing. Everybody else seems to be a loser see Ferguson....

Living in subsidized housing represents a life worse than death; a sub-human existence. I would sooner commit suicide than accept living in it. The taxes extracted to fund the welfare state destroy capital investment, economic growth, and jobs that would give people a chance to support themselves. To destroy opportunity for the sake of providing welfare housing is about the most evil thing I can think of.

Look what happened here in Chicago. Daley tears down the projects, the south and west sides have been up for grabs for years and the suburbs have been overrun by crime. Not only the burbs here either Indiana and Iowa have problems now too with transplants.

Unless change is a requirement, all the section 8 people will continue to do as they always did, just in a different place.

Anyone on a section 8 lease or living with the lease holder, should be subject to zero tolerance drug testing.

A big part of the problem is often the "cousins", boyfriends or girlfriends or any other "kin" who visit or wind up moving in. If they want the subsidy, they need to keep them in line or let them fend for themselves.

Not true at all. The problem is what is between the ears of the people. Also it's not a racial thing as White Brits act the same way that live in subsidized housing. What is the difference between retirement homes that are subsidized and regular properties?

Democrats are an Obamanation.

U = stupid wrote:

Living in subsidized housing represents a life worse than death; a sub-human existence. I would sooner commit suicide than accept living in it.

This place looks pretty sweet. Ocean front/beach property sitting on one of Boston's finest parks and within walking distance of downtown.

Old Colony Phase One Apartments offers twenty-nine (29) mid-rise and townhouse size units with fantastic views of Boston Harbor and Moakley Park. State-of-the-art apartments feature energy efficient appliances, dishwasher and disposal, individual zone thermostats, and generous storage. Mid-rise units also feature central AC, elevator-accessed apartments and central laundry facilities. Townhouse units feature spacious multi-level living, individual entry doors, washer and dryers and private outdoor patios. The development is conveniently located near the Andrews Square MBTA station and is serviced by numerous bus routes.

More:

$2,300/month for everyone else:

http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/abo/4705935500.html

No ocean view, not on the park.

Liberals - explain to me how this is fair?

This is why you should hug the next homeless person you see on the street. Those guys are impacting you far less than the welfare witch.

Go hug a homeless person TODAY!!!!!!!!!!

Drugs,Drugs,Drugs! wrote:

Not true at all. The problem is what is between the ears of the people. Also it's not a racial thing as White Brits act the same way that live in subsidized housing. What is the difference between retirement homes that are subsidized and regular properties?

Its interesting there, in that things have got muxh worse since state subsidised housing replaced state owned social housing. Subsidised private housing only seems to encourage and profit exploitative slum landlords.

But at the same time, no social housing is infinitely worse, you end with the types of cramped, awful, unfit for human habitation third world conditions that exist in parts of Hong Kong.

Selling off social housing has also been a major factor in driving up housing costs across the board in places like London and Paris, as landlords buy up properties,using their existing ones as security. So social housing is also a necessary factor in not destroying the housing market.

Ummmm... the biggest subsidized housing boondoggle are mortgage interest deductions which run over $100 billion per year.

If you deduct mortgage interest from your taxable income then you cost as much or more than the subsidized housing group.

Don't get me started on corporate welfare.

Section 8 housing is peanuts.

sncx wrote:

Indiana and Iowa have problems now too with transplants.

I know a juvenile probation officer in a mid-sized Iowa town (the one that I grew up in). They are dismayed by these people that have mostly come from Chicago, live in the section 8 housing, and generally don't share the values or morals of the rest of the people in town. They obviously are also much more likely to commit crime, violent or otherwise. It sounds like many of these people have living on the government's dime down to a science in terms of how to work the various programs. Which leads to the point: these programs aren't bad in and of themselves, but they need to be designed in a way that give people incentives to be productive/civil members of society. This is extraordinarily difficult if not impossible to achieve on the scale that the federal government operates.

why are we subsidizing people's housing in some of the most expensive cities in the world?

and on top of that, in regions that heating is needed ($$$) for 6 months out of the year??

is it fair? is it fiscally responsible? who is actually benefiting the most from these programs?

Typically of my in-person conversations with liberals, none of them can articulate a rational answer when presented with this perspective. their replies typically boil down to something emotional or based on some kind of 'culture' fallacy.

the real world wrote:

Ummmm... the biggest subsidized housing boondoggle are mortgage interest deductions which run over $100 billion per year.

If you deduct mortgage interest from your taxable income then you cost as much or more than the subsidized housing group.

Don't get me started on corporate welfare.

Section 8 housing is peanuts.

Yeah, but bring this up to any upper middle class or higher earners, and they won't listen!

Any sh!theads who think that section 8 housing is a good idea have obviously never lived in such areas.

I was smart enough to make it out and let me tell you. It doesn't help the people; they understand the rich are paying their way. They aren't motivated to participate or contribute to society in any way. It provides motivation for unemployment when everything is given to you. End of story.

Add to that the crime such communities bring with it and you have created the scum of the earth. Again, I'm just glad I got out. I fear for my life every time I go back.

If you didn't subsidize housing in the cities there'd be no stores, no factories, transit systems would fall apart, no-one would take away the garbage. I wouldn't want to live there. I'd move somewhere else where there was no subsidized housing, except there'd be no stores, no factories, transit systems would fall apart, no-one would take away the garbage. I wouldn't want to live there. I'd move somewhere else where there was no subsidized housing, except there'd be no stores, no factories, transit systems would fall apart, no-one would take away the garbage. I wouldn't want to live there. I'd move somewhere else where there was no subsidized housing, except there'd be no stores, no factories, transit systems would fall apart, no-one would take away the garbage. I wouldn't want to live there. I'd move somewhere else where there was no subsidized housing, except there'd be no stores, no factories, transit systems would fall apart, no-one would take away the garbage. I wouldn't want to live there. I'd move somewhere else where there was no subsidized housing, except there'd be no stores, no factories, transit systems would fall apart, no-one would take away the garbage. I wouldn't want to live there. I'd move somewhere else where there was no subsidized housing, except

I'm in a position to buy and rent properties and I can tell you this much ... the MOST and EASIEST money to be made by landlords is Section 8 housing. It's a scam perpetrated by the landlords, tenants and government against the rest of us taxpayers. I downright refuse to be a scumbag slumlord even if it will make me a lot of money.