Enough about Colorado and Stanford.... I can't wait to see Villanova light it up

Assuming Brian Brasili is Villanova's 5th guy, who was 22nd at Washington Invite then, Villanova will have a very good shot at top 4 at nationals. He got beat handily by Stanford's 5th and 6th guys, but was in front of NAUs. I have a hard time believing Oregon's 5th man will be better than Villanova's because tend to be front loaded with minimal depth in XC. Villanova is probably this years most underrated team.

A cold day and a dry course at TH would be there best chance

If I have seen one thing, it is that milers moved up to 10k XC can't stand a chance against the aerobically trained CU squads.

Notice Cal DFL'd Pac 12 back to back years? Who was second to last? Arizona.

If you want to win long races, you have to train for long races.

agree.

i also think michigan is under-rated.

doo doo wrote:

If I have seen one thing, it is that milers moved up to 10k XC can't stand a chance against the aerobically trained CU squads.

Notice Cal DFL'd Pac 12 back to back years? Who was second to last? Arizona.

If you want to win long races, you have to train for long races.

I would have taken any of John McDonnell's "milers" that were moved up for cross country. In reading all this hype about Wetmore, it's easy to forget that he can't even hold McDonnell"s jock as far as both developing athletes AND training the exceptionally talented.

I'm your Huckleberry..... wrote:

In reading all this hype about Wetmore, it's easy to forget that he can't even hold McDonnell"s jock as far as both developing athletes AND training the exceptionally talented.

Wetmore has developed plenty of athletes. Far too many to name.

As for training the exceptionally talented...

Goucher

Torres

Ritzenhein

Vaughn

K. Goucher

Simpson

Coburn

Kipp

Among those names are olympians, medalists, american record holders, ncaa champions, collegiate record holders, all americans

Wetmore has coached plenty of exceptionally talented athletes to great success

McDonnell's milers were aerobically trained. He was a good coach.

villanova have the best team for cross and track but wetmore focus is xc only tough to take them down but they have a top 5 chance

Villanova would have been very very close to NAU if they ran Williamsz, McEntee and Denault at UW.

They are a very good 8K team, maybe top 3-4

10K is a stretch for those milers..

McEntee has had two solid NCAA XC Nats races though and may slip into top 25 this year ,Tiernan as a very low stick, they could very well be in top 4

I figure top 7 would be a really good day though.

As far as splitting the squad...who cares, this was the three(of top guys) guys from the Paul Short meet's first race after long track years for Williamsz and McEntee, why ship them cross country. Plus they have monies budgeted for trips, , "use it or lose it" is probably the case.And they involve more kids , it just is not a big deal.

I'm your Huckleberry..... wrote:

doo doo wrote:

If I have seen one thing, it is that milers moved up to 10k XC can't stand a chance against the aerobically trained CU squads.

Notice Cal DFL'd Pac 12 back to back years? Who was second to last? Arizona.

If you want to win long races, you have to train for long races.

I would have taken any of John McDonnell's "milers" that were moved up for cross country. In reading all this hype about Wetmore, it's easy to forget that he can't even hold McDonnell"s jock as far as both developing athletes AND training the exceptionally talented.

What had McD's dudes do post collegiately?

Jordy Williamsz 5th of 359 23:53

Sam McEntee 6th 23:53

Rob Denault 12th 23:59

Patrick Tiernan 1st of 96 23:00

Brian Basili 22nd 24:00

Harry Warnick 28th 24:08

Kevin Corbusier 46th 24:31

Robert Hurlbut 60th 24:57

http://www.villanova.com/sports/m-xc/recaps/100414aab.html

http://www.villanova.com/sports/m-xc/recaps/100414aaa.html

Chris O'Sullivan 80th 25:30

Tom Trainer 84th 25:39

Drake Johnston 197th 25:50

Dusty Solis 283rd 26:23

Chris Fitzsimons 290th 26:26

Oh great, this crap again. You guys come on here ever year and hype up your school. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in awhile, so you'll have a year where you are right and won't shut up about it. You talk about how awesome Villanova is EVERY YEAR. How did this one work out for you?

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=4828992&page=0

shake it off haters gonna hate hate

Gotta start letting the legs do the talking

I thought Villanova could have done way better yesterday myself. I don't go there or anything, but between last year and then that early 8k victory, Tiernan looked like someone who would battle for a medal. Between how the race played out and a possible training setback (an interview said he hasn't been training with the group) he didn't get it done.

McEntree top 30 last year suggested their 2-4 might be in the 20-40 range. Whats more, you would think the "jog 8k then hammer" race yesterday would have benefitted their milers. But they were all in the 50s. Very odd.

Just goes to show you how much a crapshoot XC can be.