Geoffrey Mutai's 2:03:02 should have been ratified as a WR!

No

I was in Boston that day - the wind was very strong and the run was most definitely wind-aided.

Saying that, Boston runs two to three minutes slower than some other courses (the ones that are flat with smooth road surfaces).

Absolutely should've been a World Record. I ran that day and did not PR. Total joke those thinking the wind helped out, but whatever helps the frail of mind, even Renato Canova agrees that Boston is legit. Go ask Bill Rodgers if Boston is a legit course.. or Salazar or my coach who PR'd at Boston.

Here you can see the list of the top 30 marathon runners all-time :

2:02:57 WR (1) Dennis Kimetto KEN Berlin 28 Sep 2014

2:03:02 (1) Geoffrey Mutai KEN Boston 18 Apr 2011

2:03:06 (2) Moses Mosop KEN Boston 18 Apr 2011

2:03:13 (2) Emmanuel Mutai KEN Berlin 28 Sep 2014

2:03:23 WR (1) Wilson Kipsang KEN Berlin 29 Sep 2013

2:03:38 WR (1) Patrick Makau KEN Berlin 25 Sep 2011

2:03:59 WR (1) Haile Gebrselassie ETH Berlin 28 Sep 2008

2:04:05 (2) Eliud Kipchoge KEN Berlin 29 Sep 2013

2:04:23 (1) Ayele Abshero ETH Dubai 27 Jan 2012

2:04:27 (1) Duncan Kibet KEN Rotterdam 05 Apr 2009

2:04:27 (2) James Kwambai KEN Rotterdam 05 Apr 2009

2:04:32 (1) Tsegaye Mekonnen ETH Dubai 24 Jan 2014

2:04:38 (1) Tsegaye Kebede ETH Chicago 07 Oct 2012

2:04:45 (1) Lelisa Desisa ETH Dubai 25 Jan 2013

2:04:48 (1) Yemane Adhane ETH Rotterdam 15 Apr 2012

2:04:48 (2) Berhanu Shiferaw ETH Dubai 25 Jan 2013

2:04:49 (3) Tadesse Tola ETH Dubai 25 Jan 2013

2:04:50 (2) Dino Sefir ETH Dubai 27 Jan 2012

2:04:50 (2) Getu Feleke ETH Rotterdam 15 Apr 2012

2:04:52 (2) Feyisa Lilesa ETH Chicago 07 Oct 2012

2:04:52 (4) Endeshaw Negesse ETH Dubai 25 Jan 2013

2:04:53 (3) Gebrziabher Gebremariam ETH Boston 18 Apr 2011

2:04:53 (5) Bernard Koech KEN Dubai 25 Jan 2013

2:04:54 (3) Markos Geneti ETH Dubai 27 Jan 2012

2:04:55 WR (1) Paul Tergat KEN Berlin 28 Sep 2003

2:04:55 (2) Stanley Biwott KEN London 13 Apr 2014

2:04:56 (2) Sammy Korir KEN Berlin 28 Sep 2003

2:04:56 (4) Jonathan Maiyo KEN Dubai 27 Jan 2012

2:04:58 (4) Ryan Hall USA Boston 18 Apr 2011

2:05:04 (3) Abel Kirui KEN Rotterdam 05 Apr 2009

- See more at:

http://www.albertostretti.org/2014/09/the-20300-wall-finally-falls-down-by.html#sthash.arGesOy7.dpuf

The fact that Ryan Hall is on that list indicates that Boston '11 was not legit for record purposes.

Why? Ryan Hall is America's best, placed 10th at the Olympic Marathon and ran 2:06 in London prior to this race. You don't think America's best would be Top 30 in the world? Of course this country would produce one.

Boston '11 is no different than Boston of any other year.

Then if you are going to play this game, I want you to SUBTRACT my 2:21 from a day of 72-degrees and 14mph headwind.

Did I run my 2:15 that day?? Can I count it as 2:15 or 2:21?

Boston 2011 was wind aided. Do you have a problem understanding that?

Wind-aided according to who? I ran it, you did not.

You cannot have a wind-aided marathon. Did they provide a time adjustment for the hills? Or how about the heat?

Want to live in a bubble?

malmo

RE: JK, Hodge, Derderian, Malmo et al: What do you guys think of today's Boston performances? 4/18/2011 11:00PM - in reply to Crimea River Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Crimea River wrote:

Interesting how only places 1-5 seem to outperform their PR's, with Mutai the most. Of the top women, only Davila significantly improved her PR. It's almost as if the wind selectively helped those men who made the breakaway at about 3/4 of the way in.

A Red herring and circular reasoning sandwich.

In every marathon, with wind or not, athletes blow up. Had it not been for the wind the times by those who didn't set PRs today would have been 3-4 minutes slower. What aren't you getting about the concept of a strong wind at your back?

I don't know what more ridiculous - people thinking that the wind wasn't responsible for the fast times or people like me responding to idiots who think that way.

And yes, I called you an idiot. Anyone who thinks that the wind wasn't responsible for the fast times is an idiot.

Read more:

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=4008128#ixzz3EfO1OsAx

Redirc wrote:

No

*stipe wrote:

Boston 2011 was wind aided. Do you have a problem understanding that?

Now that the 2:03 barrier has been broken, Mutai's 2:03:02 seems more possible than it did in 2011 when no other person had run that fast before. I think people were searching for a way to comprehend it. That is not the case anymore!

P.S. Diego Estrada ran for Mexico when he could have run for the U.S. because he wanted an easier path to the olympics. Just sayin.

Oh, right, because they are the end-all, be-all, right? Too bad when Mosop and Mutai where interviewed they didn't claim the wind for their fast times. I trust the athlete, not the arm chair quarterbacks in JK, malmo, and Dederian, who has his PR at Boston.

Renato Canova shut them up big time, thus his list. You cannot "wind-aid" a marathon.

Here you can see the list of the top 30 marathon runners all-time :

2:02:57 WR (1) Dennis Kimetto KEN Berlin 28 Sep 2014

2:03:02 (1) Geoffrey Mutai KEN Boston 18 Apr 2011

2:03:06 (2) Moses Mosop KEN Boston 18 Apr 2011

2:03:13 (2) Emmanuel Mutai KEN Berlin 28 Sep 2014

2:03:23 WR (1) Wilson Kipsang KEN Berlin 29 Sep 2013

2:03:38 WR (1) Patrick Makau KEN Berlin 25 Sep 2011

2:03:59 WR (1) Haile Gebrselassie ETH Berlin 28 Sep 2008

2:04:05 (2) Eliud Kipchoge KEN Berlin 29 Sep 2013

2:04:23 (1) Ayele Abshero ETH Dubai 27 Jan 2012

2:04:27 (1) Duncan Kibet KEN Rotterdam 05 Apr 2009

2:04:27 (2) James Kwambai KEN Rotterdam 05 Apr 2009

2:04:32 (1) Tsegaye Mekonnen ETH Dubai 24 Jan 2014

2:04:38 (1) Tsegaye Kebede ETH Chicago 07 Oct 2012

2:04:45 (1) Lelisa Desisa ETH Dubai 25 Jan 2013

2:04:48 (1) Yemane Adhane ETH Rotterdam 15 Apr 2012

2:04:48 (2) Berhanu Shiferaw ETH Dubai 25 Jan 2013

2:04:49 (3) Tadesse Tola ETH Dubai 25 Jan 2013

2:04:50 (2) Dino Sefir ETH Dubai 27 Jan 2012

2:04:50 (2) Getu Feleke ETH Rotterdam 15 Apr 2012

2:04:52 (2) Feyisa Lilesa ETH Chicago 07 Oct 2012

2:04:52 (4) Endeshaw Negesse ETH Dubai 25 Jan 2013

2:04:53 (3) Gebrziabher Gebremariam ETH Boston 18 Apr 2011

2:04:53 (5) Bernard Koech KEN Dubai 25 Jan 2013

2:04:54 (3) Markos Geneti ETH Dubai 27 Jan 2012

2:04:55 WR (1) Paul Tergat KEN Berlin 28 Sep 2003

2:04:55 (2) Stanley Biwott KEN London 13 Apr 2014

2:04:56 (2) Sammy Korir KEN Berlin 28 Sep 2003

2:04:56 (4) Jonathan Maiyo KEN Dubai 27 Jan 2012

2:04:58 (4) Ryan Hall USA Boston 18 Apr 2011

2:05:04 (3) Abel Kirui KEN Rotterdam 05 Apr 2009

- See more at:

http://www.albertostretti.org/2014/09/the-20300-wall-finally-falls-down-by.html#sthash.arGesOy7.dpuf

Read more:

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=6036890#ixzz3EfQ2lpBg

Have you ever done a point to point run with the wind at your back?

So you mean to tell me, that if you run in a single direction with a wind at your back, you will run the same as if there was no wind? Running into a wind takes more energy, therefore running with a wind takes less. Learn something kiddo

*stipe wrote:

Have you ever done a point to point run with the wind at your back?

Yeah the wind just magically pushes me exactly at my back at all times, especially when I'm on the road. It never pushes from the side at all, it's weird how it knows that when I'm on the road it should push my back.

So you've never experienced a tailwind.

Jeff got Jipped wrote:

*stipe wrote:

Have you ever done a point to point run with the wind at your back?

Yeah the wind just magically pushes me exactly at my back at all times, especially when I'm on the road. It never pushes from the side at all, it's weird how it knows that when I'm on the road it should push my back.

I also find it strange how the wind will often blow in the same direction for a significant period of time. Clearly an indication of sentience.

*stipe wrote:

So you've never experienced a tailwind.

So did Kimetto did not have any tailwind at all today?

Did he run on an indoor track to get his WR today?

Please google the course map for Berlin. It is not a point to point course. It is roughly a loop. Therefore, any wind will provide roughly an equal aid and hindrance. By comparison, the Boston Marathon is a point to point course. It is possible to have a tailwind pretty much the whole way. This tailwind will sort of push the runners.