Prof. Canova can you share with us any information regarding the training
Of Dennis Kimmetto?
Prof. Canova can you share with us any information regarding the training
Of Dennis Kimmetto?
We don't want to here what Canova has to say about his training. Kenya kicked Canova and other foreign coaches out of the country when the Kenyan widespread-doping allegations were brought to the fore.
Kimetto trains in Geoffrey Mutai's camp, and G Mutai's training methods have been repeatedly talked about here and elsewhere, and it is NOT guru-Canovian.
Is Canova's athletes tainted?
Dr. Rosa's?
Are Canova's athletes tainted?
Dr. Rosa's?
Sciatica Road, while I don't have anything to do with Dennis Kimetto, so I can't give any info about his training, I want to tell you I never was kicked out of the Country, and,like me, coaches as Claudio Berardelli and Gabriele Nicola never had any particular problem with AK.
When there was the stupid story of Widespread doping (a fake scoop by a not correct journalist), simply AK, pushed by Kenyan Government, asked to all coaches working in Kenya to produce their official degree as coaches, and many "wizards" without real preparation were kicked out.
Before speaking, it's better to know what you have to say.
Sciatica Road is one those "wizards" without real preparation you mentioned.
He is weak troll, who is simply trying to get people excited about his claims of wizardry.
Based on this, Canova is correct. It seems that AK only demanded that all coaches not actually registered by the National Governing Body leave the country.
I'm not sure about Dennis, but 2nd place finisher Emmanuel Mutai who was also under the old world record said this:
Q: How many kilometres a week do you usually run when in marathon training?
Emmanuel Mutai: Between 250-280km (155-173 miles) per week. I usually train with Eliud Kipchoge, Bernard Kipyego and other athletes. We are under the same coach.
Seyta wrote:
AK only demanded that all coaches not actually registered by the National Governing Body leave the country.
Which could still be a tactful way of kicking them out.
Who is Kimetto's coach?
Why Kipsang did not run this year Berlin marathon? That would have been great to see him against KImetto.
fan of US distance running wrote:
I'm not sure about Dennis, but 2nd place finisher Emmanuel Mutai who was also under the old world record said this:
Q: How many kilometres a week do you usually run when in marathon training?
Emmanuel Mutai: Between 250-280km (155-173 miles) per week. I usually train with Eliud Kipchoge, Bernard Kipyego and other athletes. We are under the same coach.
http://www.runblogrun.com/2014/09/2014-bmw-berlin-diary-interview-with-emmanuel-mutai-by-cathal-dennehy.html
Same coach as Kipchoge? Being Patrick Sang (the two-time World Championships 3000m steeplechase silver medallist)?
Sorry for any misunderstanding; the end of this clip says you were asked to leave.
I can give the map of coaches / athletes in Kenya and Ethiopia (of course about the best runners only), so many of you can stop thinking stupidities.
PATRICK SANG
Emmanuel Mutai (2:03:13)
Eliud Kipchoge (2:04:05)
Bernard Koech (2:04:53)
Geoffrey Kipsang Kamworor (WHM Champion, 2:06:12),
Bernard Kipyego (2:06:29)
Stephen Kiprotich (Ugandan Olympic and World Champion)
CLAUDIO BERARDELLI
Duncan Kibet (2:04:27),
James Kwambai (2:04:27),
Stanley Biwott (2:04:55),
Rita Jeptoo (2:18:57),
Prisca Jeptoo (2:20:14)
Jemima Jelagat (2:20:41)
GABRIELE NICOLA
Mary Keitany (2:18:37)
Tirfi Tsegaye (2:20:18) **
Feyse Tadese Boru (2:20:27) **
Aberu Kebede (2:20:30) **
Sharon Cherop (2:22:28)
Filomena Cheyech (2:22:44)
** Programs, Group of Gemedu Degefo in Ethiopia
RENATO CANOVA
Moses Mosop (2:03:06)
Ayele Abshero (2:04:23) *
Tsegaye Mekonnen (2:04:32) **
Tsegaye Kebede (2:04:38) *
Dino Sefir (2:04:50) **
Jonathan Maiyo (2:04:56)
Abel Kirui (WCh 2009-2011, 2:05:04)
Abdullah Shami (2:05:42) **
Deressa Chimsa (2:05:42) **
Abera Kuma (2:05:56) *
Tamirat Tola (2:06:17) **
Yakob Jarso (2:06:17) **
Seboka Tola (2:06:17) **
Florence Kiplagat (WR holder HM in 1:05:12, 2:19:44)
* Together with Tessema Getaneh
** Group of Gemedu Degefo
On the track, this is the map :
PATRICK SANG
Nixon Chepseba (3'29"77)
Brimin Kipruto (7'53"64)
Viola Kibiwott (3:59:25 - 8:24:41 - 14:33:48)
CLAUDIO BERARDELLI
Alfred Kirwa Yego (WCh 800m 2007, 1'42"67)
Eunice Sum (WCh 800m, 1'57"38)
Janet Jepkosgei (Wch 800m in 2007, silver Olympic medal, 1'56"04)
Nancy Lagat (Olympic Champion 1500 in 2008, 4'00"13)
RENATO CANOVA
Silas Kiplagat (3'27"42) ***
Thomas Longosiwa (12'49", bronze Olympic medal 2012)
Edwin Soi (12'51", bronze Olympic medal 2008)
Caleb Ndiku (12'59", World Champion Indoor 3000m)
Sylvia Kibet (14'31", silver medal WCh 2009-2011)
A part this situation, I try to build new Young coaches in Kenya and Ethiopia, giving them general education, sometimes specific plans when they ask for. This is the case, for example, of Charles Ngeno, Young coach of Faith Kipyegon (3'56" in 1500m), and of Tessema Abshero, Brother of Ayele, in Ethiopia.
Many top athletes don't have any official coach, and we can say are "self coached".
Of course, they learnt HOW to coach when younger. Typical the case of Wilson Kipsang, who had for two years continue meeting with me for speaking about methodology, showing deep interest and asking intelligent questions about physiology, that probably people in letsrun are not able to understand, because for them everything is doping.
For your info, I had a letter signed from Isaiah Kiplagat personally, not only authorizing me to stay in Kenya for coaching athletes, but asking the provincial bodies to help me if I had some specific request, in order to improve the quality of coaching in Rift Valley.
You have also to know I was the responsible, as lecturer, of IAAF for the technical courses having the task to form new coaches, particularly one course for Elite specialist (till now, the only one in Africa), held in Kenyatta University in Nairobi, lasting 3 weeks.
I don't blame you for believing some stupid info if you don't know th reality. But ask yourself one question : why in that youtube video, the only name is my name ? May be because in Kenya I'm the most known among foreigner coaches, also due the results I had in 15 years, or because I'm part of the mass of cheaters who came Kenya in order to take advantages from a situation with poor organization ?
Renato, do you coach any american or european athletes for track or marathon either in kenya with your groups or by email? If so, do you train them differently since they might not have their "aerobic house" built like the africans do?
Coach Canova, so Kimetto is self-coached like Kipsang? Otherwise do you know his coach's name?
Kimetto is part of the Group of Geoffrey Mutai, who is self coached.
There is s long history about these athletes.
In 2003, I had an athlete living in Iten (Daniel Rono), and I wanted to move him to Marathon. He, instead, wanted to try 10000m, but in that event didn't have talent enough for becoming one of the best.
He is a very interested and intelligent guy. We had together long discussions about the fact Marathon training could not ruin the speed (don't forget, at that time Kenyan supposed to prepare Marathon you needed to be over 30...) and the body, and finally he started to train for Marathon.
After quickly improving, he shared my program with two other athletes (Wilfred and Wilson Kigen), and they started to use this system, with some personal variation.
They were friend of Wilson Kipsang, and when he started to run "professionally", the plan he used was based on the plan I gave Daniel Rono. And the plan of Wilson was the base of the plan of Geoffrey Mutai.
So, at the base of all their training there is one phylosophy, but the development of every program is combined with the individual sensibility of these top athletes. We can say Kimetto is coached by Geoffrey Mutai, but this is not true, because he put in training something different, following his feeling. We can say Kimetto is self coached, but also this is not true, because the basic training is the same of Geoffrey, and he follows advices from Wilson Kipsang, too.
We can say Wilson Kipsang is self coached, and this is not true because he follows some my advice.
But I'm not the coach of Wilson, because he is able to adjust his plan on individual basis, having great feeling with his body, and knowing (now) what every type of training can produce.
At the end, we need to understand that, with African runners starting ALWAYS WITHOUT A COACH, the system, and the idea, of coaching must be deeply different.
Coaching African runners (I speak about top Champions, of course) means to teach them methodology, and at the same time to learn from them the INTERPRETATION of the methodology. It's not something easy, because we need to have balance between the official science (and many times we have the proof that the science of top training is something different) and the personal feeling of the athlete.
Many coaches put the methodology, and the program, at the center of the project. With African, we learn that at the center of the project there is the athlete, and this is something european and american coaches Always need to remember.
About other athletes, for example I give the plans to the 2 twin sister Anna and Lisa Hahner in Germany. They came to me last year in April, after two years with experiences in Iten, and they wanted to change from their original coach (the National responsible of Germany, dr. Heining) because the German system had the program at the center, my system the athlete. Result : Anna moved from her first two Marathon (2:30:14 in Düsseldorf on 29 Apr 2012 and 2:30:57 in Berlin on 30 Sep 2012) to 2:27:55 last year in Frankfurt, won Wien this year in 2:28:59, and Yesterday ran in Berlin 2:26:44, and Lisa (more fragile, and often injured) improved from 2:31:28 to 2:30:17 (but has still to run the Marathon this year).
Also with them, I use the same phylosophy : during the special phase, speed and extension become more specific, and the period of recovery in between become longer.
Renato Canova wrote:
or because I'm part of the mass of cheaters who came Kenya in order to take advantages from a situation with poor organization ?
You're right Renato, most of these idiots (probably all) have never been to Africa to experience the infrastructure and day to day organization of things, or should that be non-organization, although it is improving.
A systematic doping regime is impossible and would be caught out real quick, even without any positive results from athletes.
That video is telling and shows just one of the reasons why US/Euro/etc can't cut it. Can you imagine them training in those conditions with those facilities, plus all the other things they would perceive as negative such as diet, poverty, job prospects, housing, etc. Too soft.
The thing I notice with the Kenyans is that they seem to be more inconsistent than the Ethiopians - especially when it comes to major championships.
I've always noticed that those athletes that run how they feel too much don't always feel good when they need to. At the same time, there are times when an athlete needs to take a little more rest or can feel like they can handle a little more and needs to adjust. I think it is a fine line.
I wonder, though, what the Ethiopians are doing that is better. They seem to be more consistent and have faired better than the Kenyans with much fewer athletes. Is it because there aren't as many Ethiopians doing their own thing, but more under the guidance of a coach.
800 Coach wrote:
The thing I notice with the Kenyans is that they seem to be more inconsistent than the Ethiopians - especially when it comes to major championships.
Based on what?