Classic example of someone that needs to be beaten severely and locked up.
Classic example of someone that needs to be beaten severely and locked up.
wow - I walked by about an hour later. Didn't know what had happened.
Don't go rushing to blame the cyclist - CP needs better rules and enforcement in general and that crossing is a dangerous one [cyclists coming at speed off a little bit of a downhill, pedestrians not always aware of the presence of high speed bicycle traffic.]
dkny64 wrote:
wow - I walked by about an hour later. Didn't know what had happened.
Don't go rushing to blame the cyclist - CP needs better rules and enforcement in general and that crossing is a dangerous one [cyclists coming at speed off a little bit of a downhill, pedestrians not always aware of the presence of high speed bicycle traffic.]
Despite CP being long overdue to fix this problem, the biker was clearly in the wrong lane and slammed right into her...I'll say he was at fault until I hear otherwise about her actions.
Barry Muzzin wrote:
dkny64 wrote:wow - I walked by about an hour later. Didn't know what had happened.
Don't go rushing to blame the cyclist - CP needs better rules and enforcement in general and that crossing is a dangerous one [cyclists coming at speed off a little bit of a downhill, pedestrians not always aware of the presence of high speed bicycle traffic.]
Despite CP being long overdue to fix this problem, the biker was clearly in the wrong lane and slammed right into her...I'll say he was at fault until I hear otherwise about her actions.
"Wrong lane" is kind of an odd way to put it. At that time of day there's no car traffic on that side of the park and bicycles are generally in the car lanes.
It may turn out that the pedestrian had the light and crossed without checking for oncoming traffic. If that was the case, the cyclist was legally at fault, but cyclists run red lights in CP all the time and when I cross there [which I happen to do frequently] I look for a break in traffic rather than counting on bicycles to stop for the light [which they rarely do.]
"Should" cyclists in CP stop for red lights? Easy for me to say yes because I don't ride, but good luck enforcing that policy.
The picture of the bike at the crime scene looks undamaged...a violent collision should have collapsed the front wheel?
'Should" cyclists in CP stop for red lights? Easy for me to say yes because I don't ride, but good luck enforcing that policy.'
They should stop at red lights why should the law be different from them to car drivers
ukathleticscoach wrote:
'Should" cyclists in CP stop for red lights? Easy for me to say yes because I don't ride, but good luck enforcing that policy.'
They should stop at red lights why should the law be different from them to car drivers
If you live in Manhattan and you want to ride at speed, by far the easiest place to do it is Central Park. Over the course of the 6-mile loop, the Park has quite a number of traffic lights at pedestrian crossings - a dozen? more? Is a cyclist riding to get in a workout really going to stop every time they hit a red light for a pedestrian crossing? No.
Cars in the park, on the other hand, are not trying to get in a workout, they're just driving and they do stop for the lights at the pedestrian crossings. [Some horse-drawn carriages and pedicabs do, some don't.]
Btw, I'm not trying to say any of this makes it "right" for cyclists to run red lights in CP, I'm just saying that this is why it happens.
Ggood thing she wasn't either 58 or 60.
Can any cyclists here explain why they think its OK to run red lights and to weave through traffic? Are you guys just that self-centered?
dkny64 wrote:
If you live in Manhattan and you want to ride at speed, by far the easiest place to do it is Central Park. Over the course of the 6-mile loop, the Park has quite a number of traffic lights at pedestrian crossings - a dozen? more? Is a cyclist riding to get in a workout really going to stop every time they hit a red light for a pedestrian crossing? No.
I am not trying to be a dick, but you're rationalizing something ridiculous. Maybe cycling isn't such a great hobby for people who live in Manhattan. I mean, I am big into skydiving, but that doesn't mean I can go jumping off of buildings in Manhattan. I'm big into snowboarding, but that doesn't mean I should get to snowboard in Manhattan.
Somehow cyclists think that because certain areas allow bikes, that they should be allowed to train there. Wrong. Would you go into a shopping mall and try to do mile repeats along the walkways? No. Hell, would you try to get in your long run on 5th Avenue during peak times? No.
I think cycling is great, but cyclists shouldn't expect everyone around them to "be prepared" for them to wizz by at 20 mph. Sorry.
Completely agreed that cycling isn't a great hobby if you live in Manhattan.
I think the Central Park situation would be greatly improved if there were fewer stop lights, but the stops were strictly enforced.
Of course, then you get into the question of whether runners stopping at those lights would also be strictly enforced...
Barry Muzzin wrote:
dkny64 wrote:wow - I walked by about an hour later. Didn't know what had happened.
Don't go rushing to blame the cyclist - CP needs better rules and enforcement in general and that crossing is a dangerous one [cyclists coming at speed off a little bit of a downhill, pedestrians not always aware of the presence of high speed bicycle traffic.]
Despite CP being long overdue to fix this problem, the biker was clearly in the wrong lane and slammed right into her...I'll say he was at fault until I hear otherwise about her actions.
There's no such thing as a "wrong" lane in that part of the park. Cars are not allowed there so bikes are free to ride anywhere except for the running lane. He shouldn't have been riding aero at that time of the day but she wasn't paying any attention.
This article is horribly written, extremely biased, and gives no insight into who was actually at fault.
"A cyclist pedaling a $4,000 racing bike..."
Who cares how expensive the bike was?
"...when Jason Marshall, 31, came barreling along..."
Came barreling along? Really?
All we really know is that someone riding a bike hit a pedestrian. Fault here lies in what the light situation was. In my experience, pedestrians are usually far more oblivious to their surroundings and I wouldn't be surprised if the pedestrian in this case just decided to cross the street without looking in either direction.
If the cyclist did run through a red light, then he should be punished to the maximum extent of the law, but without more details, jumping all over him for this is premature.
She wasn't paying attention? How do you know this?
We do know the rider saw her, what's his excuse?
I'm not sure exactly what you have in mind when you say "weave through traffic".
That said, if car traffic slows well below my cycling pace and I have room to pass by, I will. I expect cars to do the same.
I was there and talked to one of the eyewitnesses. He said she wasn't paying any attention and the guy was yelling at her. The didn't know what color the light was when the cyclist hit her.
psaxc wrote:
http://nypost.com/2014/09/18/cyclist-slams-into-pedestrian-in-central-parkClassic example of someone that needs to be beaten severely and locked up.
Add him to the pile of car drivers that hit and kill cyclists and pedestrians without serious repercussion and I will agree with you.
V1per41 wrote:
This article is horribly written, extremely biased, and gives no insight into who was actually at fault.
Standard NY Post. My favorite part was the anonymous mind reader who revealed that “These guys think that they have entitlement and they don’t ride in the bike lanes."
If he had time to yell several times he had time to come up out of his aero bars and stop. Around here pedestrians ALWAYS have the right of way over bikes, cars, whatever. He should be behind bars.
Track Timer wrote:
If he had time to yell several times he had time to come up out of his aero bars and stop.
That could be true, but there isn't enough in that NY Post article to know for sure. The police interviewed the witnesses and the cyclist, and I imagine they will press charges if the cyclist had a clear opportunity to avoid the collision.
I have to admit I hadn't focused on the aero bars detail before - at a minimum using aero bars could be banned in the park. [I can't think of any context in which aero bars would be safe for riding in the park except for a race in which the park drive was closed to all other traffic.]
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