Minimum wage should at least go up so welfare is not worth more than not working at all.

Welfare should go down so not working is not worth anything.

That could be an even better idea but would they still have the money to buy the necessitate foods and items to survive? Don't exactly know the crunch numbers but if we can lower there free ridden income I'm all for it.

Government intervention destroying local business is the main reason why these people are on welfare. So obviously the solution is we should increase government intervention. Liberals are insane.

Disagree.

You're supposed to work your way UP from minimum wage.

Disagree,,, wrote:

Disagree.

You're supposed to work your way UP from minimum wage.

Agreed

Un conservative wrote:

Government intervention destroying local business is the main reason why these people are on welfare. So obviously the solution is we should increase government intervention. Liberals are insane.

Agreed.

Of course, you would have been much more convincing if you had remembered to use the word, 'libtard'.

or maybe wrote:

Welfare should go down so not working is not worth anything.

Right on or maybe!

With a complete lack of welfare an incentive to work for any amount will always exist.

I agree too. BUT... That's not the point I'm making what I'm trying to say is people should not sit at home for a year and make the same amount as working 45 hours a week for a year. Obviously for any of us the incentive is to work our way up but how do you do that when your not working at all?

The really funny thing about you guys is you all think you actually work.

Even funnier is that you think your work produces anything people actually need or want, rather than simply filling an established economic niche. There's a big difference.

Most of you are government-subsidized in one way or another whether you realize it or not.

Of course. Economics 101: When the working class has more purchasing power WE ALL benefit.

Not when they sit on it!

Bad Wigins- not exactly sure what you are trying to say so I won't bite.

Disagree,,, wrote:

Disagree.

You're supposed to work your way UP from minimum wage.

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Ditto

Bad Wigins wrote:

The really funny thing about you guys is you all think you actually work.

Even funnier is that you think your work produces anything people actually need or want, rather than simply filling an established economic niche. There's a big difference.

Most of you are government-subsidized in one way or another whether you realize it or not.

Not really.

The really funny thing is that you think you have something profound to say when all you write here is just so much hot air.

The working class spends a very high percentage of their income. The rich don't.

Sloppy Joe wrote:

Not when they sit on it!

I won't bite.

If it's earned by honest means. If it's just redistributed to wealth was gained. I say give people who need it a bag of rice and beans. That will give them motivation to get their fat rears off the couch and contributing to society. Only when wealth is earned is your statement true.

Conundrum wrote:

Of course. Economics 101: When the working class has more purchasing power WE ALL benefit.

Sloppy Joe wrote:

I agree too. BUT... That's not the point I'm making what I'm trying to say is people should not sit at home for a year and make the same amount as working 45 hours a week for a year. Obviously for any of us the incentive is to work our way up but how do you do that when your not working at all?

Exactly how much money do you think they are getting? Do you even know or are you being ignorant? Also, people in higher tax brackets can say the same thing about you.

Sloppy Joe wrote:

I agree too. BUT... That's not the point I'm making what I'm trying to say is people should not sit at home for a year and make the same amount as working 45 hours a week for a year. Obviously for any of us the incentive is to work our way up but how do you do that when your not working at all?

You look for a job.

If you cannot find a job (which is a poor excuse, there are tons), then go to school to open yourself up to a sector.

If you go to school and still cannot find a job, you probably chose liberal arts or another useless degree.

Go back to school, get a real certificate for teaching in a school system, medical, communications, IT, vocational, electrical, electronics, engineering, etc.

Ensure while going to school you do some internship so you have at least a little work experience.

Be open to moving, and check average pays for jobs with your qualifications on a national scale vs property & home values in different areas of the country you'd like to live.

Rent an apartment which is very affordable and sale 1/4th of your paycheck every pay period in an account you would have to physically go into the bank to transfer the money. Check it once in a while, but do not touch it.

Do this, for approx 3 years, shut up and color at work, persue more certifications & education relating to your job. Do not be idle, strive to advance, and if you don't try again next year.

After 3 years, look at buying a home. You know the area well now, and will know a bargain. Ensure to use a publicly owned FCU for your mortgage since the for profit banks want you to do a 30yr and not pay extra into the principal. Use collected money to pay closing costs and other fees, get into home for roughly 1/4th of your paycheck max w/ home owners insurance, loan & taxes per month considered.

Improve home, work hard at your job, keep saving money, if you find a better job in 5 or 8 years, put home up for higher value after your improvements & the land has slowly increased in value, recieve equity built plus additional amount ontop of original home price.

No one makes money by working a minimum wage job. You have to make smart decisions and not run into things and be careful. If you are not doing things to build yourself up, or take care of a family in the future, and you blow your money on booze, fancy shirts, and muscle cars which degrade in value quickly, you'll always keep yourself in the financial red zone.

People don't become wealthy or rich because they are born into it, they become that because they don't want a horrible life for them or their family and can say no to buying items and stuff which really don't serve a purpose other than eye candy.

A poor man shows you his car, a rich man shows you his house. Keep that in mind.

Anon,

I'm sure that what you wrote was a great plan for you. But I ask you to think back about when you were in school. Did a teacher ever ask you to help teach another student or work with a group? Do you remember how hard it was to get that one student to understand something that was simple to you?

Did you learn anything from that experience? The student you tried to help went through that experience every day. After more than 2000 day long examples of how they were inferior, do you really think school is the answer for them?

COKM,O9DFAVN wrote:

Anon,

I'm sure that what you wrote was a great plan for you. But I ask you to think back about when you were in school. Did a teacher ever ask you to help teach another student or work with a group? Do you remember how hard it was to get that one student to understand something that was simple to you?

Did you learn anything from that experience? The student you tried to help went through that experience every day. After more than 2000 day long examples of how they were inferior, do you really think school is the answer for them?

No, Acctually I was that student that they said "Ohe he's got ADHD he needs help" or I was always grouped with the slow kids. I grew up in a poor house hold, and english was my worst class.

I never let someone tell me I couldn't do anything. I stopped taking medication which was forced on me for just being a kid who was hyper at the time. Yea, I had a heard time reading & doing oral reports, now I do well at it because it's part of my occupation and I went to school later on after I got tired of working dead end jobs in a poor area in Northeast Pennsylvania near Scranton.

So, speaking as the guy who was always treated and told I was inferrior, Yes, education is the answer.

College is much different than the K-12 school systems. Community college is cheap and offers a lot of realistic job markets. You don't have to be smart either to make a good living. I have a friend who can barely read because of mental issues, but he's a very good chef, and he makes quite a bit, married, 4 kids, large house.

Excuses are excuses, they're not solutions, and never will be. If there is a problem, DEAL WITH IT.