Elite female HS Senior needs program/coaching as 400m/800m runner

What kind of 400 speed are we talking?

OP, I don't see the pics you posted of this girl. I'll have to reinstall Google Chrome and then clean-boot my machine.

last 400m when coming down with virus/anemia mid May was 57.70, did not reach potential due to virus/anemia

I thought about this a bit and comcluded that I'd need to see a ~56 400 if I was looking to convert a quarter miler into an 800m runner. Between 57 and 60 I'd move them to the 1500. After that is be looking to move them to the SC or 5k/10k.

During summer ran 2:20.51 FAT 800m at an evening 'all-comers' meet after not training for many weeks, still suffering from Mono and anemia, actually found out next day about the Mono after 2nd round of blood tests.

I know the 800m time is not that impressive, but considering no training, and all circumstances...

Previous to this summer, only ran 800m 2 times in middle school, once in 6th grade, once in 8th grade.

"I thought about this a bit and comcluded that I'd need to see a ~56 400 if I was looking to convert a quarter miler into an 800m runner. Between 57 and 60 I'd move them to the 1500. After that is be looking to move them to the SC or 5k/10k."

Those conclusions with virtually no information is plenty proof you are a poser.

Something about the video camera and constant bouts of mono worries me.

While you may be right about the poster who made the 1500 comment, you also have to take into consideration that 57.7 for 400m as a junior is NOT elite. Yes, it would win a state meet in New Hampshire but 81 girls beat this time in California alone this year.

http://www.prepcaltrack.com/track-and-field-leaders/girls-400-meters-state-leaders/

While you may have good reason to believe in more than 57.7 talent, we haven't heard them yet. You have already figured this out and are trying the 800 so it really shouldn't be a surprise to you that girls with even 55.X speed end up running the 1500 and 5000m.

I see plenty of potential here. Wouldn't be able to coach locally but if interested zip me an email and I can provide my coaching credentials for consideration.

1mercurycoach@gmail.com

need coach/program wrote:

"I thought about this a bit and comcluded that I'd need to see a ~56 400 if I was looking to convert a quarter miler into an 800m runner. Between 57 and 60 I'd move them to the 1500. After that is be looking to move them to the SC or 5k/10k."

Those conclusions with virtually no information is plenty proof you are a poser.

I posted my response at the same time you posted your 57.7 response so I hadn't had your input yet. My opinion is based on experience with current NCAA athletes that I have worked with as high schoolers from the PNW. In fact, if you live in Oregon or Washington them we have probably interacted in the last couple of years.

I'm not meaning to make light of your athletes accomplishments but if you are looking for an NCAA D1 scoring type opportunity then I think my 400 speed assessments are accurate. Your typical

57.7 400m runner can get to 2:10.

Chloe Steinbeck is a good example of a girl with decent 400m speed that moved up to the 800. She ran 56-mid in high school and got to 2:07 at Oregon.

http://www.athletic.net/TrackAndField/Athlete.aspx?AID=43207

"Chloe Steinbeck is a good example of a girl with decent 400m speed that moved up to the 800. She ran 56-mid in high school and got to 2:07 at Oregon."

Each athlete has many different variables, especially at the HS level, as proper coaching can be rare, also for many reasons.

For whatever reasons, many athletes have lost time/training that they can make-up later.

Had always planned on moving to 800m Senior year, but wanted to work on speed first.

At end of HS season this year, lost strength/speed and performance kept getting worse, with anemia symptoms.

Had blood work done, found out anemic, did not know any more so continued with summer track with worse symptoms and results.

Stopped training early-on and just went to a couple meets for fun. Stopped running sprints, as unable to perform, plus caused symptoms to worsen.

Tried 800m just for fun and ran couple times at evening meets surprisingly well considering the circumstances.

Had second round of blood testing when symptoms continued and switched Dr.s, then found had Mono, stopped all running and has since recovered. Early in May a team mate also had Mono, so it is assumed that is where she got it.

Here is a perfect example from the same time period as your example:

McKayla Fricker, Canby HS, Oregon----

http://www.athletic.net/TrackAndField/Athlete.aspx?AID=96777

400m PR thru 11th grade was 61.31

800m PR thru 11th grade was 2:17.79

400m PR Senior year/12th grade was 58.52

800m PR Senior year/12th grade was 2:11.71

She then went on to Pacific University, Washington----

http://www.athletic.net/TrackAndField/Athlete.aspx?AID=2700866

AND

2014 NCAA Division II 800m National Champion (2:06.19)

Current example is Alexa Efraimson, of Camas HS, Washington---

http://www.athletic.net/TrackAndField/Athlete.aspx?AID=3650447

Also a Senior in HS, her 400m PR is 57.74

At Brooks PR her 800m time was 2:03.26

I'm sure you heard, she is foregoing HS and Collegiate eligibility and signed with Nike.

57.70÷.93 = 62.04

57.70÷.89 = 64.83

62.04+64.83 = 2:06.87

I think you could be great under the right program. I think you should do some of your own research as well. It will work wonders to contribute to the program you do it'll keep you invested.

Efraimson is not an example for your point. In order to run 2:03.26 with 57.7 speed, she had to be trained to win NXN and run a 4:07 1500.

We understand there are lots of poor coaches around.

Many throw out ideas like, "but wanted to work on speed first." That sound like you think you are a 400/800 runner. That is someone whose 400 time is better than their 800 time.

Do you have a 12.0X 100m time we should know about?

"Efraimson is not an example for your point. In order to run 2:03.26 with 57.7 speed, she had to be trained to win NXN and run a 4:07 1500.

We understand there are lots of poor coaches around.

Many throw out ideas like, "but wanted to work on speed first." That sound like you think you are a 400/800 runner. That is someone whose 400 time is better than their 800 time.

Do you have a 12.0X 100m time we should know about?"

Efraimson is a perfect example for 'my point', as I was showing how categorizing an athlete with very limited information (just their 400m PR stat)is inaccurate.

Would like to keep this a positive thread and not argumentative or otherwise negative.

Just looking for some help.

Efraimson is a perfect example for 'my point', as I was showing how categorizing an athlete with very limited information (just their 400m PR stat)is inaccurate.

Would like to keep this a positive thread and not argumentative or otherwise negative.

Just looking for some help.

You can't claim to keep this non argumentative when your first response to me was to call me a poser...

Despite our slow start I've tried give you honest advice based on experience. Is a college scholarship your goal? Unfortunately for a track-only athlete she will only be able to market what she has done up through junior year. There can be some spots available in the spring but outdoor track will follow both the Nov and Feb signing periods. It will be a hunt and peck process after that. Your best shot is to get in great shape for indoor and travel to Idaho and UW to hit some notable times at the early meets.

But trust me when I say that 57.70 is not going to be fast enough to run the 400/800 at a competitive D1 program. It might work for a mid-major but not at a PAC12 school. Any D1 1500m runner can run 57. Also, be honest with yourself when evaluating her real speed. Is 57.70 a one-off time? If she's usually putting up 58s and 59s then she really needs to move up.

Cape, I agree with you, he started the argument, it was pointless,. If he had a problem with your honest input, he should have just ignored it.I do think though that you are missing one possibility. Namely, the 400 might be her naturally best event. She could move up to the 1500 and do horrible, being a true 400 runner with only 57.7 ability trying to slog through the 1500/1600.Also, the OP needs to clarify that the athlete truly is lacking coaching at her school or that her hs coach is ok with/ encouraging her to get outside coaching to develop to her potential.He should also stop referring to her as elite. This is track, the clocknis cruel and we only as fast as our PRs. OP may truly believe the athlete is capable of say 54.0 in hs, but until she lays down that hs elite time, she isn't elite, only a very respectable high school 400m runner.We should probably take the OP at his word that the athlete has her best potential in the 4/8 though since he presumably has seen her in workouts. After all, this is a "find a coach" thread, not "which event is best for this athlete" thread.Whoever ends up helping them should ask that question though if they are a decent coach.Also OP, your examples are wildly irrelevant, those girls had monster bases and not great speed. They did this by very much not focusing on speed first, because their edge was always going to be their strength/endurance/speed endurance, so they focused on that and worked some speed in there when they could.

akornfv897g wrote:

While you may be right about the poster who made the 1500 comment, you also have to take into consideration that 57.7 for 400m as a junior is NOT elite. Yes, it would win a state meet in New Hampshire....

Not this year.

How does your high school coach feel about having another coach in the mix?

Sounds like a conflict of interest.