Roger Goodell needs to resign immediately

He may have seen it.

I think things should have been handled differently by the Ravens and the league, but that isn't the problem here.

The problem is that that NFL shouldn't even be in the business of punishing criminals. We have a criminal justice system for that. If Ray Rice was charged, convicted, and served an appropriate sentence, then whatever minimal fine/suspension his team or the league handed out would have been fine. Since that didn't happen, the NFL is left trying to figure out what an appropriate punishment is.

The NFL has a great framework for penalizing people for holding and pass interference, but not for domestic violence. And why should they have to? We as a society have a system for that already. It's only because that system failed that the NFL was put in this position. The NFL isn't the police. The Ravens aren't a jury. Roger Goodell isn't a judge. You can't expect them to have handled this perfectly.

So by that logic, I could commit any crime, no matter how serious, but as long as the police don't prosecute me, I shouldn't worry about losing my job as a teacher?

SwizXC wrote:

So by that logic, I could commit any crime, no matter how serious, but as long as the police don't prosecute me, I shouldn't worry about losing my job as a teacher?

I didn't say that at all.

First of all, football players are not teachers. Certain professions are held to different standards for a reason. If anything athletes should be compared to entertainers, and we all know that if I did 1/3 of the stuff Bieber has I'd be in jail right now.

Second of all, I didn't say that the league shouldn't punish it's players. I said that when the criminal justice system fails, how can you expect people who aren't trained in criminal justice to get it right?

SwizXC wrote:

So by that logic, I could commit any crime, no matter how serious, but as long as the police don't prosecute me, I shouldn't worry about losing my job as a teacher?

If the police don't prosecute you, how does the school know you really did commit the crime?

And if you really did commit a serious crime, why didn't the police prosecute you?

Great point here. However the NFL isn't the only business who suspends or terminates contracts due to behavior. If you do something in a public spotlight that brings negative attention to most companies you will be repremanded. The league has the ability to get rid of all the criminals, and the league will go on. Next week if the 50 best players in the league all quit, or died or were terminated the league would go on. If the owners decided to get together and change the policy so the highest paid players only recieved 500,000 a year the league would go on. Because it's still a really good job.

No Way wrote:

The problem is that that NFL shouldn't even be in the business of punishing criminals. We have a criminal justice system for that.

I agree. I think Goodell's decision was fitting for someone who brought bad press to the league. I don't think it's fair to condemn Goodell for not punishing Rice for beating his wife because it's not Goodell's job to do that.

I have to agree. wrote:

Great point here.

However the NFL isn't the only business who suspends or terminates contracts due to behavior. If you do something in a public spotlight that brings negative attention to most companies you will be repremanded. The league has the ability to get rid of all the criminals, and the league will go on. Next week if the 50 best players in the league all quit, or died or were terminated the league would go on. If the owners decided to get together and change the policy so the highest paid players only recieved 500,000 a year the league would go on. Because it's still a really good job.

No Way wrote:

The problem is that that NFL shouldn't even be in the business of punishing criminals. We have a criminal justice system for that.

In this situation, Goodell brought just as much bad press to the NFL as Ray.

If it is proven that the NFL did see the in elevator video, as some are saying, Goodell deserves to be suspended from the NFL just as Ray was.

So this woman spits on Rice and you want Goodell gone?

About 8 years ago, a clause was put into every NFL contract. The clause states basically all NFL players are expected to be law abiding, good citizens. This clause gives each team an out if an event such as Ray Rice's, occurs. The players union agreed to this standard, and can not now go back and say "wait a minute.."

joho wrote:

In this situation, Goodell brought just as much bad press to the NFL as Ray.

If it is proven that the NFL did see the in elevator video, as some are saying, Goodell deserves to be suspended from the NFL just as Ray was.

Why? What crime did Goodell commit? The people that should lose their jobs are the prosecutors who botched this.

why?

janay rice was the one punched in the face and she wants this all to go away. no one is considering the victims wishes.

No Way wrote:

SwizXC wrote:

So by that logic, I could commit any crime, no matter how serious, but as long as the police don't prosecute me, I shouldn't worry about losing my job as a teacher?

I didn't say that at all.

First of all, football players are not teachers. Certain professions are held to different standards for a reason. If anything athletes should be compared to entertainers, and we all know that if I did 1/3 of the stuff Bieber has I'd be in jail right now.

Second of all, I didn't say that the league shouldn't punish it's players. I said that when the criminal justice system fails, how can you expect people who aren't trained in criminal justice to get it right?

By your logic, the could bring OJ back to work for the league office. Or work on ESPN broadcasts. We wasn't convicted, right? It's all good. He could guest star on a Sports Science to show how much force it takes to lop off ex-wife boyfriends' heads.

not orenthal wrote:

No Way wrote:

I didn't say that at all.

First of all, football players are not teachers. Certain professions are held to different standards for a reason. If anything athletes should be compared to entertainers, and we all know that if I did 1/3 of the stuff Bieber has I'd be in jail right now.

Second of all, I didn't say that the league shouldn't punish it's players. I said that when the criminal justice system fails, how can you expect people who aren't trained in criminal justice to get it right?

By your logic, the could bring OJ back to work for the league office. Or work on ESPN broadcasts. We wasn't convicted, right? It's all good. He could guest star on a Sports Science to show how much force it takes to lop off ex-wife boyfriends' heads.

Are you from the US?

No Way wrote:

joho wrote:

In this situation, Goodell brought just as much bad press to the NFL as Ray.

If it is proven that the NFL did see the in elevator video, as some are saying, Goodell deserves to be suspended from the NFL just as Ray was.

Why? What crime did Goodell commit? The people that should lose their jobs are the prosecutors who botched this.

I've answered that question.

"In this situation, Goodell brought just as much bad press to the NFL as Ray."

This was in reference to the NFL punishing Ray because he made them look bad. I contend that Roger did just as much as Ray to make the NFL look bad. Especially considering he is the leader of the NFL and Ray is just a player.

How did prosecutors botch the case? Too light of a sentence? You won't get an argument from me on that but this thread pertains to the NFL.

joho wrote:

No Way wrote:

Why? What crime did Goodell commit? The people that should lose their jobs are the prosecutors who botched this.

I've answered that question.

"In this situation, Goodell brought just as much bad press to the NFL as Ray."

This was in reference to the NFL punishing Ray because he made them look bad. I contend that Roger did just as much as Ray to make the NFL look bad. Especially considering he is the leader of the NFL and Ray is just a player.

How did prosecutors botch the case? Too light of a sentence? You won't get an argument from me on that but this thread pertains to the NFL.

His wife dropped the charges and the prosecutors failed to file their own. He was never even charged let alone tried or sentenced.

bro science wrote:

why?

janay rice was the one punched in the face and she wants this all to go away. no one is considering the victims wishes.

That's the great irony of this story.

All of these people are incensed that this woman was hit and she is the one being hurt by the attention and the suspension.

She has been financially punished by the public's reaction.

No Way wrote:

joho wrote:

I've answered that question.

"In this situation, Goodell brought just as much bad press to the NFL as Ray."

This was in reference to the NFL punishing Ray because he made them look bad. I contend that Roger did just as much as Ray to make the NFL look bad. Especially considering he is the leader of the NFL and Ray is just a player.

How did prosecutors botch the case? Too light of a sentence? You won't get an argument from me on that but this thread pertains to the NFL.

His wife dropped the charges and the prosecutors failed to file their own. He was never even charged let alone tried or sentenced.

He was given court ordered counseling in lieu of charges. If he fails to go to counseling he could be charged. I suppose his wife played into the prosecutors decision not to move forward with felony charges.

joho wrote:

No Way wrote:

His wife dropped the charges and the prosecutors failed to file their own. He was never even charged let alone tried or sentenced.

He was given court ordered counseling in lieu of charges. If he fails to go to counseling he could be charged. I suppose his wife played into the prosecutors decision not to move forward with felony charges.

I'm sorry. You're right obviously. I meant they didn't pursue criminal charges.

A good article this morning about the prosecution of Ray. Seems like his sentence was normal for first time offenders.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-09-09/ray-rice-prosecutors-defend-no-jail-deal-despite-video.html