Ice Cap Growing: Yep, It's "Climate Change."

Remarkably, the appearance does not reflect reality. In year 2000, the IPCC

knew that the GRACE satellite measurements were imminent, and so they had

scientists calculate how much ice change was expected from global warming. The

surprising result was that all the scientists predicted that global warming would

increase the ice of Antarctica, not decrease it. The reason for this is not hard to

see. Even with 1 or 2 degrees warming, most of Antarctica remains very cold.

Loss of ice mass comes not from melting but from calving, the breaking off of ice

as it flows to the sea. With additional warming, the main effect (according to the

calculations) was additional evaporation from the sea; warm weather evaporates

water. When this water vapor drifts over the continent of Antarctica, it results in 10-15

added snow, which compresses to ice – and the glaciers were expected to grow.

So global warming was predicted to increase the Antarctic ice mass, not decrease

it. Had they seen the ice mass increase, scientists might have concluded that their

prediction was verified, and that the increase was additional evidence for global

warming.

The opposite is what was observed. Does this disagree with the global

warming picture? Yes. Does it disprove global warming? No – the temperature

evidence is very strong. It does show that our current understanding of the

warming is not good enough even to predict huge ice changes in Antarctica.

from Physics For Future Presidents by Richard A. Muller

ghjkghjk wrote:

Remarkably, the appearance does not reflect reality. In year 2000, the

see. Even with

water. When this water vapor drifts over the continent of Antarctica, it results in 10-15

added snow, which compresses to ice – and the glaciers were expected to grow.

So global warming was predicted to increase the Antarctic ice mass, not decrease

it. Had they

The opposite is what was observed. Does this disagree with the global

warming picture? Yes. Does it disprove global warming? No – the temperature

evidence is very strong. It does show that our current understanding of the

warming is not good enough even to predict huge ice changes in Antarctica.

from Physics For Future Presidents by Richard A. Muller

You Global Warming Alarmists sound more and more pathetic. There has NOT been any warming since 1998.

It's pretty funny that you think the Daily Mail is an okay place to go for info about ice caps + global warming. There's plenty of evidence that carbon dioxide traps a portion of heat that is released from the earth. There's also evidence that humans pour carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.

Why in the world do you people think you or some random journalist are smarter or know more about climate than nearly every single scientist in the world? Do you guys trust doctors with medicine if you're sick? Physicists to build airplanes or spaceships or satellites? All progress in the world comes from science, and nearly every scientist in the world knows that Climate Change is real. There's no secret agenda on the scientists' side here.

Stop being a mouthpiece for an oil company.

Stud Pardeee wrote:

ghjkghjk wrote:

Remarkably, the appearance does not reflect reality. In year 2000, the

see. Even with

water. When this water vapor drifts over the continent of Antarctica, it results in 10-15

added snow, which compresses to ice – and the glaciers were expected to grow.

So global warming was predicted to increase the Antarctic ice mass, not decrease

it. Had they

The opposite is what was observed. Does this disagree with the global

warming picture? Yes. Does it disprove global warming? No – the temperature

evidence is very strong. It does show that our current understanding of the

warming is not good enough even to predict huge ice changes in Antarctica.

from Physics For Future Presidents by Richard A. Muller

You Global Warming Alarmists sound more and more pathetic. There has NOT been any warming since 1998.

But... wrote:

Why in the world do you people think you or some random journalist are smarter or know more about climate than nearly every single scientist in the world? Do you guys trust doctors with medicine if you're sick? Physicists to build airplanes or spaceships or satellites? All progress in the world comes from science, and nearly every scientist in the world knows that Climate Change is real. There's no secret agenda on the scientists' side here.

Stop being a mouthpiece for an oil company.

Butt that's all he knows.

Shawn H wrote:

The Artic ice cap, which Al Gore said would be totally melted by now, has expanded dramatically. Looks like a cooldown. But of course, that's why "global warming" was renamed "climate change" by libs. Sure, the climate IS changing, but there's no proof it's man-made. We'd all love a less polluted world, especially in places like Beijing, China. But destroying America's economy for the sake of a hoax is crazy. "Global warming" is just not happening like all the phony models predicted. Go ahead trolls and dead-headed libs, run with this one. I'm out.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2738653/Stunning-satellite-images-summer-ice-cap-thicker-covers-1-7million-square-kilometres-MORE-2-years-ago-despite-Al-Gore-s-prediction-ICE-FREE-now.html

Ah....Shawn H, the "new" letsrun imbecile. ("new", because I am sure this is just a new name for you). This is how you spend your Sunday mornings? Scour the internet for anything (usually right wing source of course) that you thinks makes liberals look bad and post it on letsrun?? Seriously? 'Hey, I stuck it to those liberal letsrunners, I feel gooood inside now! My day is off to a good start!" How f-ckin' lame can you be?

Look, you don't know $hit about global warming/climate change or any related topic, and you know it, but if you can find *any* contrary opinion or "expert", you'll take it as gospel truth, right? I don't know anything about it either, but I know what the HIGH majority scientific opinion is on the topic. Could it be wrong or exaggerated? sure. But it's still more likely to be right than wrong, and you know it. And the *only* reasons you disagree with it are -

a) Al Gore championed the cause (Holy crap, get over Al Gore already)

b) liberals tend to agree that it is a reality

c) you feel that it is "anti-business" or will cause more gov't regulations on polluting businesses, and of course, we all know this is more evil than anything in the world! (lol!)

That's it! You, and every conservative out there, is insanely against the idea that man could be helping to warm and pollute the globe to its detriment, because of.....ideology...and Al Gore (!?! WTF?). Nothing more, nothing less. How f-cking sad is that? Incredibly.

"Hoax"??? That immediately shows you to be an imbecile. As I said , the predictions could be wrong or exaggerated, but the fact that you think this is world wide scientific conspiracy and "hoax" is beyond belief. It puts you right up there with "moon landing was faked" imbeciles.

But I guess it doesn't matter to you, because for conservatives, being ignorant AS$hHOLES seems to bring you joy.

The conservatives are showing their white hoods again. I refuse to read this racist propaganda.

Nah, Shawn H is actually his name. He uses it on other sites. The worst part is that he doesn't actually seem to be a dumb or crazy guy, except when it comes to climate science (politics I disagree with him on, obviously, but that's neither here nor there). Just here, talking about science, he falters and makes himself look stupid.

It's just odd.

But... wrote:

... except when it comes to climate science (politics I disagree with him on, obviously, but that's neither here nor there).

Perhaps this is the problem - Shawn H is talking about science based on science, but you and TR are talking about science based on politics.

But... wrote:

Nah, Shawn H is actually his name. He uses it on other sites. The worst part is that he doesn't actually seem to be a dumb or crazy guy, except when it comes to climate science (politics I disagree with him on, obviously, but that's neither here nor there). Just here, talking about science, he falters and makes himself look stupid.

It's just odd.

Yeah, maybe you're right, "But." Or should I say "Butt"? Increased polar ice is obviously proof of man-made "global warming" even if it destroys the prediction of Al Gore, the god of global warming. And record cold winters are also proof of man-made global warming. And 17 years of no global warming at all are also proof of man-made global warming.

So-called experts once believe that the earth was flat and that the universe revolved around it. So-called experts believed that DDT is poisonous to people and got it banned, so millions have died in mosquito-infested places. So-called experts once believed that jacking off makes you go blind,too. So I think it's time that you stop doing it, especially on this forum.

Oh, and where else have you seen the name "Shawn H"? I need to sue someone for plagiarism or copyright theft.

You got it revered BMR. The Daily Mail is your source for true science?

Yes, Global Warming is a scientific conspiracy, the equal of the Elders of Zion. In 1990 97% of the world's climate scientists met secretly in Switzerland and decided to take over the World through placing by creating fake scientific data suggesting the Earth was warming. They them made an agreement with most of the climate change skeptics to agree that global warming was taking place but they retained the right to describe it as a natural phenomenon.

The fact is that the Earth hasn't warmed since humans and dinosaurs roamed the planet together 5,000 years ago as this photo proves.

http://neven1.typepad.com/.a/6a0133f03a1e37970b0176172bdb2c970c-pi

Really? Butt? You have to stoop down to 3 year-old insults?

Do you understand the difference between "weather" and "climate?"

I'll use the analogy of someone upping the training slowly from 40 miles a week to 60 miles a week over the course of a year. At 40 miles a week, he averages almost 6 miles a day, but some days he'll run as much as 10 miles, other days as few as 3. As he bumps up the training, his longest runs might be 12 miles, but his shortest might still be 3. However, his average run is now 8.5 miles a day. Say a year later, now doing 60 miles a week, he goes for a 5 mile easy run, while the year before, at 40 miles a week, he did a run that same day that was 8 miles. He's training harder now, but if you look at a SINGLE run, he was training harder the year before.

It's the same way with climate. There will be record cold days, and winters, but the overall trend is warming. There will be plateaus, but those plateaus are temporary and do not mean that the earth is cooling. The plateau that everyone keeps talking about is still far warmer than any previous decade, it's just that for the time being it's not continuing to get dramatically warmer--it's already dramatically warmer.

I'm at a loss of how to deal with your "so-called experts" paragraph. The so-called experts were disproved by scientists! Isn't that the opposite of what you're arguing? I'll admit I wasn't aware DDT wasn't a huge environmental hazard like I'd thought; I'll have to read up on it.

Again with the insult that doesn't seem to befit your age and presumed stature. Stop.

Oh and you use the same name on FRB.

Shawn H wrote:

The Artic ice cap, which Al Gore said would be totally melted by now

1. When did Al Gore -- assuming he actually even said this -- become a climate scientist rather than a mouthpiece? What did Sarah Palin, Dick Cheney and Marvin the Martian say about polar ice?

2. Where is the Artic? I get all these similar-sounding places confused -- the Artic, the Arctic, Antarctica, Attica, etc.

I came across the History Channel the other day and a series about modern Mountain Men.

From Alaska down to Arizona, they were apparently battling the coldest winter for a century.

And it seems, like our weather-men here in Britain, the Aussies have been caught manipulating the temperature data to show - surprise, surprise - global warming.

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/08/25/Australian-Bureau-of-Meteorology-accused-of-Criminally-Adjusted-Global-Warming

Lance, off your meds again? Your ranting is hilarious.

Lance, off your meds again? Your ranting is hilarious.