Congratulations on a FINE year Galen Rupp!

I concede there may indeed be something to the idea that the indoor track where he set his records this year might possibly return some energy (the coefficient of restitution being tuned to his body mass and foot-strike mechanics), so maybe it improved his time over an outdoor clocking (besides the lack of wind and pollen from which he also may have benefitted).

Looking at the graph of his times (and accounting for an 'aided' indoor track this year), it is possible he is flatlining in the shorter distances, including the 5000m.

I did want to see him get the 5000m outdoor AR though. Maybe he can still go for it in the Continental Cup?

Caleb's Hat wrote:

Sciatica Road wrote:

I did want to see him get the 5000m outdoor AR though. Maybe he can still go for it in the Continental Cup?

No way, there will only 8 people in the 5000m final so likely no reason for anyone to push the pace.

What you say may be true. Nonetheless, if (a big IF), Rupp was on that start line, rested up, peaking again, relaxed, confident, and ready to go (he kisses the ring and holds it for three seconds), and then just takes it out wire-to-wire to run a 12:52, this place would melt down.

Thanks for an underwhelming post as usual. Better luck next year with your worthless "expert on ceiling" predictions. Your failure with the 10,000 perdition being a glaring failure at that.

Mixed opinion wrote:

Thanks for an underwhelming post as usual. Better luck next year with your worthless "expert on ceiling" predictions. Your failure with the 10,000 perdition being a glaring failure at that.

Oh, yes, mental midget, perhaps this "10,000 perdition" phrase was a Freudian slip on your part, or perhaps the only slips you encounter are the ones you wear to bed, but I did not make any 10,000m "perditions" and may you be asked to star in the sequel to Forrest Gump, as you won't need to act...

Whoa. Your Galen Rupp obsession is beyond weird.

He's just trolling - and doing a fine job of it, I might add. I've always been impressed by the way SPMBLNPF* can take perfectly reasonable opinions and use a consistent set of rhetorical devices to turn them into debate-provoking tirades. Perhaps the most consistently excellent troll in the years I've been visiting the LRC message boards.

*SPMBLNPF - can you remind me what your handle stands for?

dkny64 wrote:

you are creepy wrote:

Whoa. Your Galen Rupp obsession is beyond weird.

He's just trolling - and doing a fine job of it, I might add. I've always been impressed by the way SPMBLNPF* can take perfectly reasonable opinions and use a consistent set of rhetorical devices to turn them into debate-provoking tirades. Perhaps the most consistently excellent troll in the years I've been visiting the LRC message boards.

*SPMBLNPF - can you remind me what your handle stands for?

My assertion stands whether he's a troll or not. He's either earnestly obsessed with Galen Rupp, or he's obsessed with trolling about Galen Rupp. Whatever the situation, he has a weird Galen Rupp obsession. Additionally, he's a terrible writer, and that is also true irrespective of his sincerity.

you are creepy wrote:

dkny64 wrote:

He's just trolling - and doing a fine job of it, I might add. I've always been impressed by the way SPMBLNPF* can take perfectly reasonable opinions and use a consistent set of rhetorical devices to turn them into debate-provoking tirades. Perhaps the most consistently excellent troll in the years I've been visiting the LRC message boards.

*SPMBLNPF - can you remind me what your handle stands for?

My assertion stands whether he's a troll or not. He's either earnestly obsessed with Galen Rupp, or he's obsessed with trolling about Galen Rupp. Whatever the situation, he has a weird Galen Rupp obsession. Additionally, he's a terrible writer, and that is also true irrespective of his sincerity.

^These are my abosulte favorite posts where someone criticizes the writing of another and in his criticism attempts to make himself sound as intelligent as possible in an attempt to highllight how great of a writer he is and therefore how much better and more intelligent he must be.

Thanks for the laugh!

you are creepy wrote:

dkny64 wrote:

He's just trolling - and doing a fine job of it, I might add. I've always been impressed by the way SPMBLNPF* can take perfectly reasonable opinions and use a consistent set of rhetorical devices to turn them into debate-provoking tirades. Perhaps the most consistently excellent troll in the years I've been visiting the LRC message boards.

*SPMBLNPF - can you remind me what your handle stands for?

My assertion stands whether he's a troll or not. He's either earnestly obsessed with Galen Rupp, or he's obsessed with trolling about Galen Rupp. Whatever the situation, he has a weird Galen Rupp obsession. Additionally, he's a terrible writer, and that is also true irrespective of his sincerity.

Not really.

What IS weird is that you let him get into your head. He's just having fun playing with you as with a puppet.

As far as ceilings go, it was his best year ever for two miles, 10,000 and yes, by far in the 5000.

Wish we all could have ceilings like that. The ones that just keep raising.

dkny64

Thanks for the praise, if indeed one construes it as such, but I assure you that I have no intention of being a "troll," whatever that may entail. I simply write as if I were speaking my mind, and they call it trolling.

I have never revealed what my handle stands for, so that makes reminding you of the aforementioned a bit challenging...

As for some of the ostensibly substantive responses, it is true that Galen Rupp had a fine season, but to say that his ceiling is being raised is not to comprehend the concept of a ceiling. This ceiling is by definition an immovable object, as immovable as some of the fanboys' recalcitrance in clinging to the notion (much like ventolin) that Galen has somehow got a 12:50 or faster 5000m in him. Perhaps Beckett should have written a play, "Waiting for Galen," and it would be about the perpetual expectation that one day their running savior would appear and manifest an ability at 5000m that he has never given any real indication of possessing, but that doesn't stop them from their interminable waiting and proclamations of the "inevitable," however delusional.

Part of the problem with the fanboys' (and ventolin you are thrown in for being delusional) unrealistic expectations is the incessant disappointment some of them feel at Galen not not meeting them, as if he has NEVER had an opportunity to run a fast 5000m.

I will quote from Wikipedia, which might make you think that Alberto or A Duck is now contributing:

On June 10th and July 5th Galen went for the American record attempt in the outdoor 5000m. Both times he fell short due to un-fair conditions and poor pacing.

Oh, if only the conditions had been "fair," or as another "troll" calls them, Rupp-certified.

Let us appreciate the runner that Galen Rupp is and has been, because you have seen the best of him now, and it could not have been easy for him to have accomplished what he has, yet the Godot-waiters are still clamoring for more. It is NOT there, folks, and Galen has nothing to apologize for in relation to this..

SPMBLNPF wrote:

He is not much more than a 13 flat performer at 5000m,

I doubt it given his 10k pr. Surely he can run low 12:50s -- or better.

Congratulations on a fine career and a wonderful and underrated year in 2014!

Yes. Great indoor season, great 10ks, good 5ks.

Well, of course you have misquoted me. I am not sure why, but it is symptomatic of being truly outclassed in this discussion to have to resort to such sophomoric tactics.

Protect and Serve wrote:

SPMBLNPF wrote:

He is not much more than a 13 flat performer at 5000m,

I doubt it given his 10k pr. Surely he can run low 12:50s -- or better.

Congratulations on a fine career and a wonderful and underrated year in 2014!

Yes. Great indoor season, great 10ks, good 5ks.

Is lying supposed to be impressive? Or is it just incompetence?

-> Liars and Incompetents wrote:

Is lying supposed to be impressive? Or is it just incompetence?

Oh, I see. I overlooked the fact that you are K5 - a well-established liar.

Carry on my good chap.

SPMBLNPF wrote:

As for some of the ostensibly substantive responses, it is true that Galen Rupp had a fine season, but to say that his ceiling is being raised is not to comprehend the concept of a ceiling. This ceiling is by definition an immovable object, as immovable as some of the fanboys' recalcitrance in clinging to the notion (much like ventolin) that Galen has somehow got a 12:50 or faster 5000m in him...

Ceilings are raised all the time. You don't have much experience with construction I'm guessing. Also, your proclamation of Rupps ceiling has no merit. It's just something you made up out of bias. I remember when Rupps ceilings were 27:13 (he'll never get the AR) then 27:00, then 26:48 (he'll never run that fast again, it's an outlier, and anomaly, in fact it never really happened).

Look, let's face it, every ceiling clowns like you and others put out their for Rupp he broke through, so if their is a ceiling that still exists it's because he raised it.

The ceiling that you have is to make a positive difference in the world, and I have little hope that you are raising that ceiling.

Of course it was a great season. And it still stands that Rupp is the only athlete in the world to be able to challenge and "get in the race" with the top African born distance runners.

Ben True is getting close but needs to adopt some of those "gimmicks" he talks about in order to stay with the top runners during the last 2 laps.

PS, I'll give you 6/10 on trolling. You are not bad and put in a lot of effort, but a few things are too obvious:

1) You think you are far more clever than you really are

2) You clearly celebrate yourself

3) You are actually writing this out of bias against Rupp, which takes points away since a true master troll is completely objective

800 Coach wrote:

Of course it was a great season. And it still stands that Rupp is the only athlete in the world to be able to challenge and "get in the race" with the top African born distance runners.

Ben True is getting close but needs to adopt some of those "gimmicks" he talks about in order to stay with the top runners during the last 2 laps.

True about True, but he also benefitted from a slow race. I doubt he's ready to be there in a race that dabbles around 12:50-13:05 pace. That's different from a perfectly paced race like Cardinal, it's a more typical diamond league race that has 1K splits varying from 2:32-2:38 and then has a big finish at the end.