It is virtually impossible to prove someone is an age cheater though we know it exist and its virtually impossible to prove treating your thyroid is a PE yet we know it is.
The main difference is the age cheat is no longer a cheater once he competes at the senior level.
Assuming age cheating means Kenyan age cheating? If they are still doing it at least they aren't so obvious. Used to be Kenyan juniors were all born in January, which even if accurate allows them to be the oldest possible age in Junior competition. Before any of you kneejerks pop up this has been verified by the KAA who outed many Kenyan juniors after they switched country. Nothing like betrayal to get the KAA to come clean.
Age cheating is worse.
At least with drugs everyone has the opportunity to take them.
But your age is your age. Nothing a 16 year old can do to level the playing field against a 20 year old.
What bothers me about Kenyan age cheating is that the same runner will cheat on both ends of the spectrum. When he is 25, he competes as a junior, but fast forward 25 years later and that same runner is biologically 35 competing as a masters runner.
Bryan Hall wrote:
What bothers me about Kenyan age cheating is that the same runner will cheat on both ends of the spectrum. When he is 25, he competes as a junior, but fast forward 25 years later and that same runner is biologically 35 competing as a masters runner.
I don't even know where to begin.
On cue: damn you Obama!
Looky Here wrote:
Bryan Hall wrote:What bothers me about Kenyan age cheating is that the same runner will cheat on both ends of the spectrum. When he is 25, he competes as a junior, but fast forward 25 years later and that same runner is biologically 35 competing as a masters runner.
I don't even know where to begin.
Looky Here wrote:
Bryan Hall wrote:What bothers me about Kenyan age cheating is that the same runner will cheat on both ends of the spectrum. When he is 25, he competes as a junior, but fast forward 25 years later and that same runner is biologically 35 competing as a masters runner.
I don't even know where to begin.
You are truly stupid then. The LRC mantra is, Kenyans lie they are younger, and they lie when they are older. The actual problem is, American white males, regardless of anything to do with age, cannot compete with the best in the world.
taking thyroid hormone is not against the rules
Age cheating is when you lie about your age. Thyroid cheating is when you lie about having a thyroid condition.
clarification for the simple wrote:
Thyroid cheating is when you lie about having a thyroid condition.
Who is lying about this? Is it against some sort of rule? Have you told the IAAF and WADA??
I don't know why "age cheating" is treated as such a big deal around here. Pretending to be younger than you are is kind of like having 40+ scoring friend help you with your practice MCAT. Sure, you'll rock your practice test, but that won't help when you show up for the real thing. Likewise, an age cheat might do great in some junior races, but that won't matter when they show up for an actual professional meet.
Its a jerk move to rob a younger runner of a victory or medal because you ran a race you didn't belong in, but ultimately, junior running is all about preparing for the next level, and age cheating won't help with that. Mostly, cheating to win as a junior is just a pointless endeavor.
I have a thyroid disorder and it messed up my running throughout my life. I'm not 100% sure of this, but if you have hypothyroidism you are not going to benefit running wise from the meds. If you do not have the disorder, you can benefit from the meds.
One way to find out if runners are taking thyroid meds to gain an advantage is to have them prove (medical documents) that they have the disorder (TSH above 3.5?, 4?, 5?). Or not allow them to have the meds in their system for a period of time before being tested (risky if they do have the disorder) and if their TSH is in the range it's proves that they do not need the medication.
jar wrote:
I have a thyroid disorder and it messed up my running throughout my life. I'm not 100% sure of this, but if you have hypothyroidism you are not going to benefit running wise from the meds. If you do not have the disorder, you can benefit from the meds.
One way to find out if runners are taking thyroid meds to gain an advantage is to have them prove (medical documents) that they have the disorder (TSH above 3.5?, 4?, 5?). Or not allow them to have the meds in their system for a period of time before being tested (risky if they do have the disorder) and if their TSH is in the range it's proves that they do not need the medication.
Well that would be great if it was part of the protocol of the rules but it isn't. I don't know if taking thyroid is a performance enhancer or not but WADA has studied it and states that (at least) it is not a big enough enhancer to ban it or to require a TUE.
Cheating implies a breaking of rules. Talk of Thyroid cheating is stupid.
jar wrote:
I have a thyroid disorder and it messed up my running throughout my life. I'm not 100% sure of this, but if you have hypothyroidism you are not going to benefit running wise from the meds. If you do not have the disorder, you can benefit from the meds.
One way to find out if runners are taking thyroid meds to gain an advantage is to have them prove (medical documents) that they have the disorder (TSH above 3.5?, 4?, 5?). Or not allow them to have the meds in their system for a period of time before being tested (risky if they do have the disorder) and if their TSH is in the range it's proves that they do not need the medication.
i'm in the same boat. the problem now is that it's being prescribed at a lower TSH threshold. when i was diagnosed over a decade ago, the TSH for a diagnosis was 5.5. Now it is down to 3.5 for some labs.
The hard part to explain to the running community is that if you are truly hypothyroid you 1) Can't NOT take the meds because your lipids will get jacked up and day to day life is kind of miserable; and 2) To actually train, you need to have a TSH that is no higher than around 2.5 or you fall apart.
Your dumbbness is beyond belief.
Bryan Hall wrote:
What bothers me about Kenyan age cheating is that the same runner will cheat on both ends of the spectrum. When he is 25, he competes as a junior, but fast forward 25 years later and that same runner is biologically 35 competing as a masters runner.
noname wrote:
jar wrote:I have a thyroid disorder and it messed up my running throughout my life. I'm not 100% sure of this, but if you have hypothyroidism you are not going to benefit running wise from the meds. If you do not have the disorder, you can benefit from the meds.
One way to find out if runners are taking thyroid meds to gain an advantage is to have them prove (medical documents) that they have the disorder (TSH above 3.5?, 4?, 5?). Or not allow them to have the meds in their system for a period of time before being tested (risky if they do have the disorder) and if their TSH is in the range it's proves that they do not need the medication.
i'm in the same boat. the problem now is that it's being prescribed at a lower TSH threshold. when i was diagnosed over a decade ago, the TSH for a diagnosis was 5.5. Now it is down to 3.5 for some labs.
The hard part to explain to the running community is that if you are truly hypothyroid you 1) Can't NOT take the meds because your lipids will get jacked up and day to day life is kind of miserable; and 2) To actually train, you need to have a TSH that is no higher than around 2.5 or you fall apart.
My thyroid meds have never gotten me close to the runner I was before my thyroid stopped working correctly.
Even though I have heard about this. I wonder how much these meds help. I have real thyroid issue's and it's been very difficult to get under control.
Age cheating is worse.
Asu guy wrote:
My thyroid meds have never gotten me close to the runner I was before my thyroid stopped working correctly.
Even though I have heard about this. I wonder how much these meds help. I have real thyroid issue's and it's been very difficult to get under control.
Same here. I think that in the time you go un-diagnosed, the muscle breakdown is big. So while you feel better once you get treated, it takes a long time to actually build that muscle back. this, along with aging, and i also never got close to where i was before.
noname wrote:
Asu guy wrote:My thyroid meds have never gotten me close to the runner I was before my thyroid stopped working correctly.
Even though I have heard about this. I wonder how much these meds help. I have real thyroid issue's and it's been very difficult to get under control.
Same here. I think that in the time you go un-diagnosed, the muscle breakdown is big. So while you feel better once you get treated, it takes a long time to actually build that muscle back. this, along with aging, and i also never got close to where i was before.
How long do you think you were undiagnosed? I was undiagnosed for at least 2 years and I then spent at least 3 years under medicated.
Asu guy wrote:
Even though I have heard about this. I wonder how much these meds help. I have real thyroid issue's and it's been very difficult to get under control.
Age cheating is worse.
Thyroid issue is what?
You morons still think thyroid is cheating?
Read and learn. Educate yourself before you try to commentate.