How old is Trentavis Friday and Shamir Little?

Were they born in 3rd world countries that may or may not have birth records and are known for age cheating?

TAA wrote:

Were they born in 3rd world countries that may or may not have birth records and are known for age cheating?

That is besides the point.

My question still stands. How old are they?

The above athletes were born in a country known for drug cheating. Should be assume they all were on some PED?

NativeSon wrote:

TAA wrote:

Were they born in 3rd world countries that may or may not have birth records and are known for age cheating?

That is besides the point.

My question still stands. How old are they?

Both are 19. I think that because they were born in a developed country that keeps birth records and athletes from the US aren't well known to falsify their ages to cheat in junior competitions like Kenyans do.

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Stupid question, pointless thread.

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Chances are 95+% that they are their stated age. Even if they somehow weren't, they would have had to produce very good "fake evidence" to convince many people who actually check these things.

Some "others", on the other hand, are quite obviously not likely to be their stated age and authorities just seemingly look the other way.

Wang wrote:

Chances are 95+% that they are their stated age. Even if they somehow weren't, they would have had to produce very good "fake evidence" to convince many people who actually check these things.

Some "others", on the other hand, are quite obviously not likely to be their stated age and authorities just seemingly look the other way.

I would say 99%. In the USA, we keep records of almost every person that is born (I am sure some people way out in the sticks or born in shame in some ghetto or hates the government do not get a birth certificate).

Can Kenya and other East African countries provide the same records? That is why we are always suspicious.

How old ARE...

Indeed. An Ethiopian competing for Bahrain was yanked from the meet after evidence was uncovered suggesting she was actually born in 1990!!!!

http://www.oregonlive.com/trackandfield/index.ssf/2014/07/the_iaaf_says_an_verage_runner.html#incart_related_stories

And the nerve of the IAAF guy quoted.. Making these dismissive comments about administrative errors while disallowing the US Shot putter...UNBELIEVABLE!!!

***"Chris Turner of the IAAF said questions about ages of participating athletes are a frequent concern in international age-group competitions.

"It's quite a regular thing," he said. "In most cases it's just an administrative error. ... It's very difficult to withdraw an athlete from a championships. What happens if it is an administrative error? Then the athlete has a lost a chance to compete in a junior championships."***

Monor hickup wrote:

The above athletes were born in a country known for drug cheating. Should be assume they all were on some PED?

Thank you.

This is where I was coming to with my question.

Regarding age, those who siad thst the athletes are what they claim to be (in terms of age) do so just by merely trusting the system.

They say that athletes are vetted and therefore, age cheating is next to nil if not non existent.

It is a question of trust.

They also distrust African Federationsbecause they have either failed or abetted in falsifying athletes' age.

So, if I am getting it right, it is an issue of trust (USATF) Aand suspicion (AK and ETH Federation to name but two).

So, now that we know that several US Olympics and World Championships gold medallists as well as world record holders and US national record holders have tested positive for PEDS, ( Justin Gatlin, Tyson Gay, Marion Jones, Kelly White, Lashawn Merritt, US 4x4 men's relay team in Sidney Olympics, e.t.c., e.t.c., e.t.c.),

My question here becomes;

Should we TRUST Friday, Little and Kinniard, Baisden, Kaylin Whitney, Mary Cain et al or should we be SUSPICIOUS?

I am just trying to see the consistency in your argument.

Who is willing to take it up?

Let me also say this; I will talk abiut my Kenya;

We gain nothing by sending overage athletes.

We are not Qataris or Bahrainians who purchase medals.

We mould them.

We gain absolutely nothing.

And yes, WE HAVE RECORDS!

Now, back to my question.

Should we trust these US junior athletes or should we be suspicious?

[quote]NativeSon wrote:

How old is Trentavis Friday and Shamir Little?

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I'm guessing they have a combined age of 36 or so. Strange question.

Take your moronic drivel somewhere else

These 18 and 19 year olds, which are their actual ages, are not being injected with EPO pre-race and steroids afterwards

Just because your country loves to cheat doesn't mean you need to accuse perfectly and obviously legitimate athletes of doing so.

Native Son wrote:

We gain nothing by sending overage athletes.

And yes, WE HAVE RECORDS!

Now, back to my question.

Should we trust these US junior athletes or should we be suspicious?

Your federation, like other federations, measures itself by how many medals the team wins. The fewer medals, the more likely that people will lose their jobs. And it's very evident and natural that there is a strong element of national pride in winning and getting medals. You can see that from your own posts.

Every record on the books, from every country and every continent, is suspicious for PED use. Every mid-distance and distance record set since 1992 is suspicious for EPO use. That is as true of American records as it is for World records.

The US has had high profile drug busts because it actually has a drug testing system with some level of integrity. US sprinters are no dirtier than Jamaican sprinters. The sprinters have been busted more often than distance runners because of the PEDs they use, not because the distance runners aren't using PEDs.

Should you be suspicious of PED usage? Yes. But because that is a constant in every meet it can become tiresome to harp upon it. The age cheating that happens at Juniors is something different and worthy of separate discussion.

So, you are implying that the guys who were busted at the Olympics were caught because of the US system?

In other words, if I am getting you right, Americans who've been busted were caught because of the efficiency of the US system.

None of the Americans you mentioned were busted "at the Olympics". Nor were they busted at Worlds to my knowledge. Gatlin was busted in 2006 and Merritt in 2010, both off years. Gay was busted before Worlds in 2013. Jones never failed a test; she was part of the BALCO case. White was also BALCO and she was suspended in 2004 before the Olympics. The Sydney 4x4 team lost its medals because of testimony in a court case years afterwards, not because of a failed test at the Olympics.

Perhaps you've seen the published reports that the Jamaican team was virtually untested in the six months leading up to the London Olympics. The American system has been far from perfect but that would not happen in the US.

It's a fair question. There is some age cheating in youth sports in the United States. However, there are also rigorous systematic requirements at hospitals and schools for birth certificates and other gov't documents (social security cards) that establish the age precisely for 99.99% of the population. And you know that none of this is or was the case in Kenya until recently, if at all. There have also been very widespread age-cheating scandals at World Juniors for Kenyan athletes over the years.

NativeSon wrote:

Yes,

I am trying to play the devil's advocate here.

How old is Trentavis Friday and Shamir Little?

Question 2.

What makes you think so?

(that they are the age you claim that they are).

How about Tre'tez Kinnaird?

There is a reason as to why I am asking.

Most likely the exact age they say they are because they were born in a country which issues a certified document which not only records the date of birth, but the time of birth, the place of birth, the birth parents and in most starts the gender and race as well. In fact, in the USA, if you die at birth, there is a certificate issued.

Btw, looking mature in and of itself is not the problem, but it becomes an issue when you look mature, have incredible performances and come from a country known for age cheating. That when it all adds up.

Native Son wrote:

Should we TRUST Friday, Little and Kinniard, Baisden, Kaylin Whitney, Mary Cain et al or should we be SUSPICIOUS?

I generally don't like pointing fingers at particular athletes unless there is specific evidence indicating PED use. I also don't presume any of them are clean, however. The truth is I don't know.