Never had more than 3 guys broken 3:30 in the same race
Yesterday SEVEN of them did it
In history, only eight men have run 3:28.81 or better. FOUR of them are running right now. Only 3 were running in El Guerrouj's time.
In 1999, 302 men broke 3:38. In 2013, 315 did it.
The times weren't faster during the so-called "EPO era," El Guerrouj is just that much better and if he were in his prime today he'd still be that much better.
We have been over this more than once. The development of new drugs always remain ahead of the tests. Also, to assume every single runner at a high level (3:30 or under for example) is juiced is absurd.
But 2/10 since I wasted time or replying to you.
"Hey El Guerrouj haters..."
Use of the word 'haters' makes you sound like you are in high school.
Just thought you should know.
Hate to Say It Butt wrote:
"Hey El Guerrouj haters..."
Use of the word 'haters' makes you sound like you are in high school.
Just thought you should know.
Haters gonna hate.
casual commentary wrote:
We have been over this more than once. The development of new drugs always remain ahead of the tests. Also, to assume every single runner at a high level (3:30 or under for example) is juiced is absurd.
And to assume El G is juiced because he ran 3:26 is also absurd.
You're Absurd wrote:
And to assume El G is juiced because he ran 3:26 and is moroccan is not absurd.
FYP
You're Absurd wrote:
to assume El G is juiced because he ran 3:26 is also absurd.
Actually it's the best reason I can think of. Whom should people suspect instead of the WR holders, high-school kids struggling to break five minutes?
You (presumably) know that there are PED users running amok in track and field, so why would you think that one bloke can somehow rise above the brutal challenges he faces from others' use of modern pharmaceuticals, and just run faster? I call this the Armstrong Syndrome: A great athlete just exudes guts and confidence and brashness and dedication, and if he's overcome some marked adversity in his life we can overlook the obvious and root for him so strongly to be the exception to a clear rule that we convince ourselves that this is actually the case. Then, stupidly, we say after the truth is known that we're 'not actually surprised, now that I think about it'. It's the sports fan's natural urge to have heroes. But sadly, above a certain level, sports is nothing but business and if you think there are people competing clean and setting track and field records, well, you're the real cynic.
Clean distance records at the elite level do not happen anymore. If you think that they do, give me your e-mail addy so I can spam you with ads for penis-enlargement pills and various pyramid schemes. And please do not bore me or others with bafflegab and codswaddle about providing you with proof. That kind of bibbly-bap is beneath even a preteen's logic!
Ever hear of Boulami? Ghoumri? Ramzi? They were pretty decent, compatriots of contemporaries of El G, and served drugs suspensions.
What's interesting to me is that while 1500 times have been lights out, 5000 times have not been.
Wikipedia That wrote:
Never had more than 3 guys broken 3:30 in the same race
Yesterday SEVEN of them did it
In history, only eight men have run 3:28.81 or better. FOUR of them are running right now. Only 3 were running in El Guerrouj's time.
In 1999, 302 men broke 3:38. In 2013, 315 did it.
The times weren't faster during the so-called "EPO era," El Guerrouj is just that much better and if he were in his prime today he'd still be that much better.
You have a group of young Kenyans that are just going for it. They are brash with attitude and want to get the record. They are not content with just racing for a win they want to run fast. Its an exciting time for the 1500 , we will see the record fall this summer.
The Armstrong Syndrome wrote:
Ever hear of Boulami? Ghoumri? Ramzi? They were pretty decent, compatriots of contemporaries of El G, and served drugs suspensions.
Actually, Ghourmi and Ramzi are not compatriots of El Guerrouj. Yes, this fact does matter. Wouldn't you expect an athlete selling himself to Qatar to be more likely to dope?
Boulami was caught during El G's prime. The EPO tests were up and running.
The Armstrong Syndrome wrote:
You're Absurd wrote:to assume El G is juiced because he ran 3:26 is also absurd.
Actually it's the best reason I can think of. Whom should people suspect instead of the WR holders, high-school kids struggling to break five minutes?
Okay, so presumably you think most of the top athletes are still doped seeing as a lot more of them are running fast today. That's an okay assessment.
Point is there's no evidence that El G's era was more doped than today.
Critical Thinking wrote:
Hate to Say It Butt wrote:"Hey El Guerrouj haters..."
Use of the word 'haters' makes you sound like you are in high school.
Just thought you should know.
Haters gonna hate.
Ah yes, confirmation that you cannot be more than 15 years old.
Call me naive or dumb, but I like to think that unless evidence exists, I consider all runners to be clean unless otherwise proven so. I do think humans can run 3:26 and 7:20 without drugs.
The women's records are another story, and I have a harder time with those. I still think Wang Junxia is one the greats either way, as well as a few of her peers. You don't get in the IAAF Hall of Fame for nothin'!
Armstrong Syndrome wrote:
You are not coherent, and I think a severe beating is in order.
lol
I truly hope you don't think you made a single valid point in your below ramble. I furthermore sincerely hope you don't think your attempt at some sort of shtick is funny. Because if either case was true, I'd have to feel very sorry for you for being such a failure in each endeavor. OTOH, if you are just bored and trolling and typing random thoughts that come into your head in no particular order as it appears you are doing, then, by all means, carry on, because you are killing time successfully.
The Armstrong Syndrome wrote:
You're Absurd wrote:to assume El G is juiced because he ran 3:26 is also absurd.
Actually it's the best reason I can think of. Whom should people suspect instead of the WR holders, high-school kids struggling to break five minutes?
You (presumably) know that there are PED users running amok in track and field, so why would you think that one bloke can somehow rise above the brutal challenges he faces from others' use of modern pharmaceuticals, and just run faster? I call this the Armstrong Syndrome: A great athlete just exudes guts and confidence and brashness and dedication, and if he's overcome some marked adversity in his life we can overlook the obvious and root for him so strongly to be the exception to a clear rule that we convince ourselves that this is actually the case. Then, stupidly, we say after the truth is known that we're 'not actually surprised, now that I think about it'. It's the sports fan's natural urge to have heroes. But sadly, above a certain level, sports is nothing but business and if you think there are people competing clean and setting track and field records, well, you're the real cynic.
Clean distance records at the elite level do not happen anymore. If you think that they do, give me your e-mail addy so I can spam you with ads for penis-enlargement pills and various pyramid schemes. And please do not bore me or others with bafflegab and codswaddle about providing you with proof. That kind of bibbly-bap is beneath even a preteen's logic!
Ever hear of Boulami? Ghoumri? Ramzi? They were pretty decent, compatriots of contemporaries of El G, and served drugs suspensions.
Tyrannosaurus Rexing wrote:
I truly hope you don't think you made a single valid point in your below ramble. I furthermore sincerely hope you don't think your attempt at some sort of shtick is funny. Because if either case was true, I'd have to feel very sorry for you for being such a failure in each endeavor. OTOH, if you are just bored and trolling and typing random thoughts that come into your head in no particular order as it appears you are doing, then, by all means, carry on, because you are killing time successfully.
No substance whatsoever. As always from that idiot.
gfsdfgs wrote:
No substance whatsoever. As always from that idiot.
That, and he rounds out the picture of a completely useless contributor to a board in need of serious help by using 'below' as an adjective. Christ that makes my bollocks ache.
Attitude shift wrote:
Wikipedia That wrote:Never had more than 3 guys broken 3:30 in the same race
Yesterday SEVEN of them did it
In history, only eight men have run 3:28.81 or better. FOUR of them are running right now. Only 3 were running in El Guerrouj's time.
In 1999, 302 men broke 3:38. In 2013, 315 did it.
The times weren't faster during the so-called "EPO era," El Guerrouj is just that much better and if he were in his prime today he'd still be that much better.
You have a group of young Kenyans that are just going for it. They are brash with attitude and want to get the record. They are not content with just racing for a win they want to run fast. Its an exciting time for the 1500 , we will see the record fall this summer.
That same bunch of Young Kenyans who have been criticised for about 4 or 5 years now for not going for fast times and following the pace. For years Kiplagat and Kiprop skirted round the 3:30 mark and there seemed to be no one willing or able to reach the bell in 2:33. But the past 2 seasons they seem to have undergone a complete volte face in their outlook and even speak openly about going for a world record, one which is almost certainly a doped one.
Moreover, I don't think I've ever seen Kiplagat look more relaxed and less tired after that Monaco run. All seems a bit fishy to me.
Peer Mediator wrote:
That same bunch of Young Kenyans who have been criticised for about 4 or 5 years now for not going for fast times and following the pace. For years Kiplagat and Kiprop skirted round the 3:30 mark and there seemed to be no one willing or able to reach the bell in 2:33. But the past 2 seasons they seem to have undergone a complete volte face in their outlook and even speak openly about going for a world record, one which is almost certainly a doped one.
Moreover, I don't think I've ever seen Kiplagat look more relaxed and less tired after that Monaco run. All seems a bit fishy to me.
Are you an idiot? You think they have changed so much the past two seasons?
Three years/seasons ago (2012) when Kiprop was 23, he already had an Olympic Gold and World Championship Gold to his name. He also ran a 3:31.78 -> 3:30.46 -> 3:28.88 in 2010/2011/2012.
At the same time in 2012, Kiplagat was 23 (two months younger than Asbel) and had his own World Championship Silver. He also put up 3:29.27 -> 3:30.47 -> 3:29.63 in 2010/2011/2012.
2010 was four years ago. They were 21. Not quite at their prime to be in shape to go 3:27 like they did FOUR YEARS LATER in their PRIME.
They were both under 3:30 before last year and the trend was they ran those times typically in MONACO.
Go figure they would go after another fast time which they have produced year in and year out in the place they always PR.
It was bound to happen especially since Kiprop has dragged the field to probably lifetime PR's for all of them.
Fredo Santana wrote:
Peer Mediator wrote:That same bunch of Young Kenyans who have been criticised for about 4 or 5 years now for not going for fast times and following the pace. For years Kiplagat and Kiprop skirted round the 3:30 mark and there seemed to be no one willing or able to reach the bell in 2:33. But the past 2 seasons they seem to have undergone a complete volte face in their outlook and even speak openly about going for a world record, one which is almost certainly a doped one.
Moreover, I don't think I've ever seen Kiplagat look more relaxed and less tired after that Monaco run. All seems a bit fishy to me.
Are you an idiot? You think they have changed so much the past two seasons?
Three years/seasons ago (2012) when Kiprop was 23, he already had an Olympic Gold and World Championship Gold to his name. He also ran a 3:31.78 -> 3:30.46 -> 3:28.88 in 2010/2011/2012.
At the same time in 2012, Kiplagat was 23 (two months younger than Asbel) and had his own World Championship Silver. He also put up 3:29.27 -> 3:30.47 -> 3:29.63 in 2010/2011/2012.
2010 was four years ago. They were 21. Not quite at their prime to be in shape to go 3:27 like they did FOUR YEARS LATER in their PRIME.
They were both under 3:30 before last year and the trend was they ran those times typically in MONACO.
Go figure they would go after another fast time which they have produced year in and year out in the place they always PR.
It was bound to happen especially since Kiprop has dragged the field to probably lifetime PR's for all of them.
Obviously, you are new to letsrun. Let me help:
All Kenyans are age cheats. If they say they are 21, they are actually 26. So they were in their prime 4 years ago.
Every pro are drug cheats, unless they are American and we like them. Even those who pass the drug tests. Even our beloved Lagat was a drug cheat back in the El G era, because he ran for Kenya.
Times from Monaco don't matter, because the track is short. Just like Rieti.