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I think that depends how far you go on the course. Mexican food always makes me do that too. :)To be crown champ at Mount Midoriyama I'd say is equivalent to a 2:10 thon or better. To finish the city champs course is probably sub 2:30. To finish the city qualifier is probably sub 2:50. Just my two cents. Some of these Ninja warriors are no joke!
Will an American Ninja Warrior ever break a 2 hour thon?
Distance Express wrote:
I think that depends how far you go on the course. Mexican food always makes me do that too. :)To be crown champ at Mount Midoriyama I'd say is equivalent to a 2:10 thon or better. To finish the city champs course is probably sub 2:30. To finish the city qualifier is probably sub 2:50. Just my two cents. Some of these Ninja warriors are no joke!
I agree that the top ANW contestants are pretty legit. However, I'd say being crown champ would be equivalent to more like a 2:15 marathon, just because there are so fewer people trying hard at ANW. I think if a similar number of people were training for the marathon, championships would be often won in the 2:15 range rather than 2:0x
Most serious hobby joggers can run a sub-3 thon, but nobody can deal with the ANW course.
Now what is harder finishing the Ninja Warrior course or finishing a 100 miler?
xenonscreamdude wrote:
Most serious hobby joggers can run a sub-3 thon, but nobody can deal with the ANW course.
Most elite climbers would pawn any of the courses on ANW. Most of the people from climbing backgrounds who compete on the show are at the same level as the people from running backgrounds who race mud runs. I'm a decent but far from elite climber and none of the obstacles look overly challenging, provided you have enough endurance to not get pumped and don't make a stupid mistake. The easiest courses are probably easier to complete than a 3:00 marathon. The hardest one is maybe worth 2:20.
I'd love to see Chris Sharma make an appearance on the show.
Well they were talking about one guy as he was going and said that he had just run a 1:35 half marathon and was working on his endurance. That's garbage even for me and I'm a sub 50 400 guy that can't even break 17 in a 5k.
bloob wrote:
Well they were talking about one guy as he was going and said that he had just run a 1:35 half marathon and was working on his endurance. That's garbage even for me and I'm a sub 50 400 guy that can't even break 17 in a 5k.
You do understand the difference between upper body strength (and endurance)and long distance running, right?
I wouldn't compare American Ninja Warrior to a marathon honestly, maybe more to a fast and tough 5k. It's not brutally long enough to wear them down like a marathon. It's intense, don't get me wrong, and probably harder than a sub3:00 marathon to complete, but harder for different reasons.
oranges are much better than apples. It's not even close.
noobody wrote:
xenonscreamdude wrote:Most serious hobby joggers can run a sub-3 thon, but nobody can deal with the ANW course.
Most elite climbers would pawn any of the courses on ANW. Most of the people from climbing backgrounds who compete on the show are at the same level as the people from running backgrounds who race mud runs. I'm a decent but far from elite climber and none of the obstacles look overly challenging, provided you have enough endurance to not get pumped and don't make a stupid mistake. The easiest courses are probably easier to complete than a 3:00 marathon. The hardest one is maybe worth 2:20.
I'd love to see Chris Sharma make an appearance on the show.
You do realize there is a 500K prize for winning ANW right? If it was so easy why wouldn't just one serious elite climber go win the cash? I think your full of crap. It's alot harder then you think. You have to combine muscle strength, muscle endurance, overall endurance, speed, etc to win ANW.
xenonscreamdude wrote:
Most serious hobby joggers can run a sub-3 thon, but nobody can deal with the ANW course.
No way no how can most hobby joggers run a 3 hour thon. I've been running 20-40 MPW and have a 20 minute 5K PR at age 40 and i'm really struggling to break 3:15
I didn't say that I didn't think that some of the stages are hard (2:20 is a very good marathon time).
I don't think that you need to be a World-class talent to complete ANW though. There are many reasons why elite climbers may not be interested in competing: They may be cynical of the fact that it's a TV show as much as it is a sporting competition. It also hasn't been around long enough to attract a large pool of serious competitors, with or without prize money. Additionally, I wasn't even aware that there was a big prize for finishing the course and I would bet that +90% of elite climbers are equally ignorant as they're out climbing in their free time, rather than watching TV. There are also some elite climbers who make a comfortable living already and prefer to focus all of their energy towards their sport rather than joining the circus, even if it might lead to a big payday. I'm also under the impression that you need to be an American citizen in order to compete on the show (or Japanese for Japan's version). The show's producers are leaving out a huge pool of talent - but lets face it - the show's about selling a competition, as well as human interest stories - not maximizing human potential, like a real sport such as track and field.
Well then 1 of the 10% of climbers who watch the show should get off the mountain and win the 500K. My point is it's not easy. I don't think what is happening on the show can exactly be quantified by a marathon time. I think winning the show is worth at least a sub 2:10 thon but depending on how fast or slow it could be a 2:15 or 2:05 but exact quantification would be impossible. Anyway i just wish these true climbers would show the fake ninjas how to do it. I think the people who train on these ninja obstacles are the ones who do the best on the show...not mountain climbers. This will of course be rebuffed because it makes sense.
Let's put it this way: Wilson kipsang can't f~ck with ANW and David Campbell can't fuc+ with the Berlin thon
Screw fuk wrote:
Let's put it this way: Wilson kipsang can't f~ck with ANW and David Campbell can't fuc+ with the Berlin thon
Well said! That's what i'm trying to get at when I say it can't be quantified in thon terms.
I also climb and agree with your assessment. I think climbers are just starting to realize that ANW has nice prize money and are beginning to compete. One of my friends is a V9ish boulderer and he just completed the Miami qualifying stage. Not sure how far he went, but we will see. Megan Mascarenas is a pro-climber here in the US and she was one of the first women to finish the qualifying stage. It's only a matter of time before the Mt. is beaten now that word is spreading through the climbing community.
Pole Position wrote:
Well then 1 of the 10% of climbers who watch the show should get off the mountain and win the 500K. My point is it's not easy. I don't think what is happening on the show can exactly be quantified by a marathon time. I think winning the show is worth at least a sub 2:10 thon but depending on how fast or slow it could be a 2:15 or 2:05 but exact quantification would be impossible. Anyway i just wish these true climbers would show the fake ninjas how to do it. I think the people who train on these ninja obstacles are the ones who do the best on the show...not mountain climbers. This will of course be rebuffed because it makes sense.
The people who train on the ninja obstacles might have an advantage on the easiest courses, as agility is equally important to upper-body and grip strength on those courses. For the best athletes, the easiest courses are almost sprints and the ninjas tend to be quicker on average. On the hardest courses, most of the obstacles involve climbing moves of one sort or another. If you don't come from a climbing background, your arm and grip strength/endurance are going to be your undoing 9 times out of 10.
ANW is still in its infancy and there's no way that I could see winning it being worth sub-2:10. How many years did humans compete in the marathon before times dropped below 2:10? Only 2 countries compete in ANW and there are very few athletes who train seriously for it relative to the marathon.
I still think that it's a cool show and I'd love to try the courses if I lived in the U.S. This discussion reminds me of the constant debate on here of how elite runners like Rupp would fare in an ultramarathon if they trained for it.
Why wouldn't the ninjas who train on the specific climbing obstacles be just as good as a climber on the climbing obstacles? While i think a climber could do the salmon ladder would it not make more sense to practice on the salmon ladder or would climbing in general translate to doing the technique required of the salmon ladder?
The ninjas that train as ninjas would have an advantage as they do specific training on specific obstacles instead of non specific climbing.
I agree that this does sound like the classic elite distance runner attempting an ultra.