Anti-doping expert: Substance that Asafa Powell took is less effective than caffeine

He is as clean as Bolt and Blake

Bump for moron gallery...

The substance he took is banned. Caffeine is not banned. It's pretty simple.

LetsRun.com wrote:

To everyone who is outraged that Powell can compete after only 6 months, please read this:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/athletics/28319312

BBC wrote:

Tom Bassindale, a forensic toxicologist and doping expert at Sheffield Hallam University, says he has mixed feelings about Powell's return to the track.

"I'm a bit torn," he said. "If people have been taking something like EPO, my heart does sink to see them back in competition because they may still be benefiting from the effects.

"But a mild stimulant like oxilofrine may be less effective than caffeine. I don't like to see people breaking the anti-doping rules, but clearly some substances are more effective than others."

LetsRun.com wrote:

To everyone who is outraged that Powell can compete after only 6 months, please read this:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/athletics/28319312

BBC wrote:

Tom Bassindale, a forensic toxicologist and doping expert at Sheffield Hallam University, says he has mixed feelings about Powell's return to the track.

"I'm a bit torn," he said. "If people have been taking something like EPO, my heart does sink to see them back in competition because they may still be benefiting from the effects.

"But a mild stimulant like oxilofrine may be less effective than caffeine. I don't like to see people breaking the anti-doping rules, but clearly some substances are more effective than others."

You miss the point. The point is that if he is willing to cheat by taking this, he is likely willing to cheat by taking other things.

The more relevant point is that the supplement in question did not list the banned substance as an ingredient. Mike Rodgers also tested positive for a stimulant in a popular energy drink where the banned substance was not listed. Yohan Blake had a positive for substance in a popular supplement hat was similar in structure to methylexamine which is a banned substance but was not the banned substance itself.

So athletes need to be either chemists to test the supplements they use or perhaps to be safe not use any supplements at all.

Wrong Blake was said to test positive for something similar to substance found in methylexamine...which was the reason why he was first found not guilty....Jadco appealed but had Blake gone to CAS he would have won easily. WADA is a joke!

It is stupid to lump all PEDs under the same umbrella punishment wise. Too bad for asafa, but at least he got reduced time. Everyone dopes the good shit up to threshold values anyway (in addition to fancy drugs), taking something like a preworkout mix is pretty vanilla...

Plea bargain. Doping bust is bad for this decrepit sport.

I was about to complain that an anti-doping "expert" was claiming that the effects of caffeine on sports performance have been unequivocally established. But of course, he said no such thing. All he said was that the shit Powell went down for MAY BE less effective than caffeine.

The difference is not subtle.

If I am a reporter for the New York Times and say that Barry Bonds admitted to PED use, that would be huge. But if in fact he said that he MAY HAVE taken something to aid his performance but isn't certain, that is a very different ballgame.

One more piece of evidence that if even the Letsrun boys could write in passable English, they still wouldn't be journalists.

Maybe I have missed something, but I am very surprised PEDs' long lasting performance benefits are taken for granted. It was definitely quantified for steroids on women (see the GDR doping files), but what about the rest?

In general, the body is supposed to cut back on its natural production of any hormone administered exogenously. About EPO, for instance, some mention a backlash after stopping injections:

http://velonews.competitor.com/2014/02/training-center/an-analysis-of-the-long-term-effects-of-performance-enhancing-drugs_317590/3

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Rojo, I think you are looking foolish here. You are inconsistent with your opinions of certain athletes and doping. If Powell were one on your bad list, you would have torn him to shreds. What if this were Webb or Rupp?

Furthermore, you are going by the opinion of one person who used the word "may." Remember this is a banned substance we are talking about, it was banned for a reason. Another point that is critical, drug users are ahead of the so called experts when it comes to knowing what works and what doesn't.

Uh yeah wrote:

The substance he took is banned. Caffeine is not banned.

It's pretty simple.

It's not simple. It could happen to you.

These are the facts...

1. Powell and Simpson took a supplement called Epiphany D1 that was recommended to them by their physical therapist.

2. They checked the label of the supplement and checked all the ingredients on the WADA list and none were banned.

3. The physical therapist called the manufacturer of the product and the manufacturer verified that it was completely safe, all-natural and there was nothing banned in the product. The physical therapist had athletes take the supplement before and none had ever tested positive.

4. Powell and Simpson test positive for Oxilofrine in their first test after taking the supplement. (They have no idea what Oxilofrine is btw)

5. They make contact with WADA, having no idea what caused the positive test and ask for help in raiding the room of their physical therapist to find out if there was something he was giving them intentionally (or not).

6. WADA contacts Italian police and they make the raid.

7. At the B-Sample testing, the head of the WADA lab states that Oxilofrine is a bogus stimulant and says: "If Asafa Powell is going to cheat, he certainly is NOT going to take Oxilofrine."

8. Powell and Simpson have their bottle of Epiphany D1 tested and it shows positive for Oxilofrine despite Oxilofrine (or any synonym) not being listed on the label.

9. Their manager contacts USADA and WADA and tells them that the Epiphany D1 supplement tested positive for Oxilofrine.

10. USADA orders Epiphany D1 directly from the manufacturer and has it tested by the FDA. The FDA confirm that Oxilofrine is in the product and not listed on the label.

11. USADA posts this information on their high risk list warning athletes to steer clear. Here is the link:

12. JADCO delays the entire hearing process because of incompetence (They actually had a hearing to determine the date that they would have a hearing to decide the date of the hearing... Read that twice, I kid you not.)

13. JADCO eventually completes the hearing in just short of 10 months (Despite IAAF rule 38.9 which says hearings must be completed within 3 months)

14. The Panel hands down an unfounded 18 month ban, which has never happened in the history of doping cases involving contaminated supplements.

15. The head of the Jamaican panel is arrested about a week later for running a human trafficking and prostitution ring in Montego Bay. Weeks after that another of the panel members is arrested for attempting to bribe the police (Unsure if it was him or his similarly named brother). The 3rd panel member is clean but has a son that is brought up on weapons charges.

16. WADA eventually reviews the case and determines the sanction based on the facts is unjust and tries to get JADCO to agree to a reduced sentence. IAAF also signs off on the settlement but JADCO never signs off.

17. Simpson and Powell appeal to CAS for a Stay allowing them to compete with immediate effect in front of their hearing based on the facts submitted.

18. CAS grants them the right to compete prior to their appeal hearing based on the overwhelming facts of the case.

19. The appeal hearing is held in 2 days and based on all the facts the CAS makes the correct decision and reduces the ban and fines JADCO for their incompetence on the matter.

20. THESE ARE THE FACTS, Powell and Simpson are not drug cheats. If anyone has ever taken a supplement and didn't have it tested in a lab prior to taking it they could very easily be just as unlucky.

Epiphany D1? Hardly the same thing as a multivitamin pill from the local supermarket is it? These expensive supplements are really heavily marketed by their manufacturer but unless they contain some stimulant or anabolic agent that is on the banned list they are all completely useless with no benefits at all to a healthy athlete who has a reasonable diet. Powell & Simpson deserve a ban for being pretty naive or stupid (sort of a joke here!)

But,seriously, Powell and Simpson were looking for something that they clearly didn't think they were getting from their training alone, some sort of artificial edge, they ended up taking something on the banned list, really have only themselves to blame and can consider themselves very fortunate to be competing again this year

Facts:

1)The athletes took a supplement which was spiked with something not listed in the ingredient overview,

2)The above has been proved by scientific research of samples from the batch of the Ephifany D supplement which was found in Powells hotelroom,

3)The substance that showed up in the test has the same benefits to sprinters as the caffeine in your Starbucks cup,

4)that substance is on the banned list, but there is no obvious reason for this (same can be said of about 25% of the substances on the WADA list), since there are no registered benefits in performance (same as for instance Guarana),

5)CAS judged this one right; 2 years is over the top for THESE KINDS OD SUBSTANCES,

6) Good decision, in the best interest of the sport.

7)Can't be said about the Tyson Gay DHEA test and handling of that by USADA, USATF, IAAF and WADA. That reeks of interests higher up in the tree that cannot be damaged.

"Anti-doping expert: Substance that Asafa Powell took is less effective than caffeine"

IRRELEVANT. The nature of the performance-enhancing effect was not a factor in the reduction of his ban, AFAIK.

It's good for the sport that he was caught and it puts his world record and previous top performances in perspective. But I wonder if anyone has any insight on his mediocrity of recent? Was it a combination of age/choking at big meets/being more cautious with PEDs/the PEDs not working? If he were taking PEDs up til recent, wouldn't he have something more to show for it? If we're gonna talk about "oxilofrine" being "less effective than caffeine." etc.

Kipketer_Pumpkin_Eater wrote:

I wonder if anyone has any insight on his mediocrity of recent? Was it a combination of age/choking at big meets/being more cautious with PEDs/the PEDs not working?

Yes, we do. We've determined that we think the following is accurate:

11% age

17% choking

28% caution

31% ineffectiveness

13% other

There you go. We hope this answers your question.

LMAO

LetsRespond.com wrote:

Kipketer_Pumpkin_Eater wrote:

I wonder if anyone has any insight on his mediocrity of recent? Was it a combination of age/choking at big meets/being more cautious with PEDs/the PEDs not working?

Yes, we do. We've determined that we think the following is accurate:

11% age

17% choking

28% caution

31% ineffectiveness

13% other

There you go. We hope this answers your question.

Smart-a** post of the year. Lol.

It's a valid question, though. Doping is a problem in distance running as well as sprints, and it wouldn't be much of a problem if no runners were gaining upside from it. As far as Jamaican sprinting is concerned, the doper who got caught has been sucking, while the squeaky-clean compatriots and training partners Bolt and Blake have (in the same comparable period) been yards ahead of everyone else? There are some other up-and-coming Jamaican peers of theirs, too. I'm not pointing fingers, I'm just quite curious.