For the 5000 meters, what times do you consider to be excellent, good, okay, bad, etc?

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oscar the grouch wrote:

Is this pretty accurate?

sub-21:00 not great

sub 20:00 okay

sub 19:00 average

sub 18:00 above average

sub 17:00 good

sub 16:00 very good

sub 15:00 great

sub 14:00 elite

sub 13:00 world's best

13:00 Eh

12:50 maybe getting somewhere

12:40 decent

12:37 good

12:30 better

12:20 semi pro

12:10 pro ish (maybe)

12:00 pro

11:50 maybe world's best

Congratulator wrote:

Congratulations you're the one millionth person to post this stupid topic on here!

the topic is smarter than your imbecilic reply.

oscar the grouch wrote:

Is this pretty accurate?

sub-21:00 not great

sub 20:00 okay

sub 19:00 average

sub 18:00 above average

sub 17:00 good

sub 16:00 very good

sub 15:00 great

sub 14:00 elite

sub 13:00 world's best

I'd say that's actually pretty accurate if you replace "very good" with "great" and "Great" with "sub-elite"

Yeah this one is actually pretty good.

Extremely context-dependent question you're asking.

And no foolin' around. This is letsrun.com,

Sub 12:40 - good

Sub 13 - decent

13:00 - 13:30 - disappointing try-hards, JV level.

Everything else is hobby jogger level. Seriously, a 13:50 might as well be 29 minutes.

Letsrunners take themselves very seriously and brojos like to remind you of that.

this here wrote:

Extremely context-dependent question you're asking.

In the WR 10;000m if you ran 27;20 you got lapped.

26;56 is the fastest 9th place ever

oscar the grouch wrote:

Is this pretty accurate?

sub-21:00 sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-elite

sub 20:00 sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-elite

sub 19:00 sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-elite

sub 18:00 sub-sub-sub-sub-elite

sub 17:00 sub-sub-sub-elite

sub 16:00 sub-sub-elite

sub 15:00 sub-elite

sub 14:00 elite

sub 13:00 elite-elite

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TAA wrote:

oscar the grouch wrote:

Is this pretty accurate?

sub-21:00 sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-elite

sub 20:00 sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-elite

sub 19:00 sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-elite

sub 18:00 sub-sub-sub-sub-elite

sub 17:00 sub-sub-sub-elite

sub 16:00 sub-sub-elite

sub 15:00 sub-elite

sub 14:00 elite

sub 13:00 elite-elite

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this is actually great!

"how fast are you?" asks johnny, "i'm triple sub-elite, it's my first year of running."

oscar the grouch wrote:

Is this pretty accurate?

No but this is

sub-21:00 hobbyjogger

sub 20:00 hobbyjogger

sub 19:00 hobbyjogger

sub 18:00 hobbyjogger

sub 17:00 fan boy level #3

sub 16:00 fan boy level #2

sub 15:00 fan boy level #1

sub 14:00 sub-elite

sub 13:00 drugs

Anyone slower than I am: they're not working hard enough, not my fault

Anyone faster than I am: they're more talented, not my fault

Anyone 2 minutes faster than I am: drugs

Yours looks pretty good. Sub-19:00 okay/averageSub-18:00 decentSub-17:30 solidSub-17:00 locally competitiveSub-16:30 goodSub-16:00 very goodsub-15:30 greatsub-15:00 sub-elitesub-14:00 elitesub-13:00 world's best

oscar the grouch wrote:

Is this pretty accurate?

sub-21:00 not great

sub 20:00 okay

sub 19:00 average

sub 18:00 above average

sub 17:00 good

sub 16:00 very good

sub 15:00 great

sub 14:00 elite

sub 13:00 world's best

One needs to control for age and gender.

[quote]162430 wrote:

Yours looks pretty good.

Sub-19:00 okay/average

Sub-18:00 decent

Sub-17:30 solid

Sub-17:00 locally competitive

Sub-16:30 good

Sub-16:00 very good

sub-15:30 great

sub-15:00 sub-elite

sub-14:00 elite

sub-13:00 world's best

[quote]

sub 17: locally competitive

sub 16: good

sub 15:30: sthg. like "really good"

sub 15: very good

sub 14:30: "sub-elite" begins

sub 13:30: elite, great

sub 13: world´s best

in my point of view "great" means more than sub 15:30.

and "elites" - well, must be a small group. these guys can participate in every race everywhere with a good chance.

and for age groupers: age-graded "%":

75-80%: still fit

80-85%: quite good

85-88%: good

89-93%: very good

>94%: great

when you get under 1310 or so 5K you are probably on something.

by on something i mean blood boosting not necessarily illegal.

which means great athletes can't go much faster. only a super phenom can.

but with the oxygen tent, altitude, blood doping and other tricks guys can get down to 13 flat or a bit better.

then onto the super PEDs we go.

i'm wondering really what the british phenoms were doing. it's a real blip on the screen all the guys that came onto the scene out of nowhere.

now i consider coe and ovett, et all the last more or less clean world beaters, but i'm still wondering what they were doing...something...

ruthless coe will never divulge anything that's for sure.

the worst guy is that viren. all his medals, all of them are blood doping medals. he might have been good for one bronze or something like thaดt "clean". some of the other guys could have gone 13 flat on his program.

talk about your fake legends.

20+: not worth talking about. old people, fat people, woman, etc

19-20: not worth talking about. Double chinned back of the pack high school sophomores whose mom made them to go out for XC in hopes of delaying the inevitable onset of diabetes. They’re rather be playing Skyrim, covered in Dorito crumbs. Even the spectators cringe watching someone subject themselves to such indignity.

18-19: not worth talking about: Pack fodder at a 2A high school meet. Athletically retarded, but need an activity, obviously couldn’t make the team at sports where they cut people. Spectators clap and yell 'good job' like you’re in the gd special Olympics or something. Parents try to act unashamed but quietly start rethinking that pro-life stance.

17-18: not worth talking about: Might earn an object-of-pity varsity letter (for participation), the only price being your ability to get a date. Should have stuck with those piano lessons, you could have done band or some other non-competitive-everyone-is-a-winner activity instead and maybe salvaged some dignity.

16-17: not worth talking about: Desperate for attention life failures willing to invest the majority of their irreplaceable free time to occasionally have a shot at the $25 third place gift certificate at the local turkey trot. Will walk around with an age group award as though it were the Hope diamond, unaware of their own epic patheticness.

15-16: not worth talking about: Equivalent of what might be the #5 guy on a Kenyan high school team if there were such a thing. Obsessed with going sub 15 to the exclusion of normal social development. Functionally paralyzed in social situations with non-runners because what else is there to talk about? Here’s an idea: talk about operating a shotgun trigger with your big toe.

14-15: not worth talking about: Standard issue Lets Run board hero, which is like being the thinnest fat woman at a Weight Watchers meeting. Belittles others to hide the gnawing, righteous shame that there are girls who are faster. How much of an athlete can you be if a girl can beat you? Compelled to idolize a loser without grasping the irony. E.g. Olympic no-medalist and choker of the century Steve Prefontaine, or another genetic lottery winner who was born with more talent than anyone else in his day, and turned it into a steaming pile of failure, Alan Webb. Why don't you toast your idol with 10 to 12 beers and take the convertible out for a spin.

13-14: not worth talking about: Jamaican bobsled team equivalents. If you come from a talentless running backwater you might make the Olympics, but then again so did Eddy the Eagle. They have to send *somebody*. Don’t feel any pressure, everyone knows you have zero chance. If you’re low 13 and charismatic[1], Nike might pay you a pittance to hawk overpriced trainers to the Lets Run board heroes, since you are their king. High 13s was something to talk about...in the 1950s.

sub 13: Actual competitors. Real runners.

[1] code word for ‘white.’

if you go sub 20 you can probably compete for Vanuatu in the Olympics. so theres something. but i dunno.. its so aways so weird to see stuff like this. i feel like everyone kind of compares stuff to where they are sort of. and I'm on LetsRun so I run sub 12s. but Only by myself, i can't do it when someones watching............. but in all honesty your scale seems pretty acurate

that was the age of blood doping. a colleague of mine who was competitive back then told me he tried it, which was quite a shock to hear as i didn't even realize he was elite back in his day given that he's now about 60 pounds north of looking fit.

he told me it was really weird; he could go about twice as long at a given pace (about a 6% improvement) but the first few times it didn't improve his performance at all. then he figured out he had to go harder, or hurt worse than he thought he could sustain because he could stay at a certain pain level longer. i could tell it was difficult to explain, but it's like it didn't make it easier for him to run and ride fast (he was a duathlete), it's just that he could hurt worse and sustain that misery longer than he could previously and by a big margin.

basically, it's like your 5K pace turns into your 10K pace, but you have the same pain as you would in the 5K, but now for twice as long. he said it was almost confusing for him at the time until his mind just reset as to what was sustainable in terms of pain for a certain amount of time.