Devon Allen

Hey Now wrote:

When's the last time a true freshman, 19yr old, has won the NCAA and US Championship?

Trying to look it up. Incredible performance for a kid that started track late because of spring football drills.

That was insane. Hurdlers usually hit their prime a little later than sprinters, because it's such a technical event. This kid could be a gold medalist in Rio.

At what point does he leave football behind?

Did you see how bad his form was, yet he ran 13.16 If he cleans up his form, he will be unbelievable. I also wonder how fast he could run an open 100 meters.

Hey Now wrote:

At what point does he leave football behind?

Hell, he could take gold in Rio while in college then chase football dollars.

not to take away anything from his win but ronnie ash broke 13 in the semis and fell in the finals.

That makes sense. I didn't see the race but I was wondering how a guy who ran a legal 12.99 couldnlose

even if he turns into an Olympic medalist caliber hurdler, he could definitely make more money as an average or even backup NFL wide receiver

Hey Now wrote:

When's the last time a true freshman, 19yr old, has won the NCAA and US Championship?

He also appears to be the first white man to win the hurdles since 1962 when Jerry Tarr (another University of Oregon football player/track star) won.

Hey Now wrote:

When's the last time a true freshman, 19yr old, has won the NCAA and US Championship?

The last time a freshman won the NCAA championships was Dedy Cooper in 1976.

Cooper was an all time great high schooler. He set the national HS record of 13.2 that Skeets Nehemiah broke.

Cooper was 20 years old as a freshman but he was not a redshirt.

Cooper finished fourth in the 1976 Olympic Trials. He does not show in the national championship results, which were a separate meet in those days.

So the answer to your question is: a very long time, at the least.

gen bicentennial wrote:

Hey Now wrote:

When's the last time a true freshman, 19yr old, has won the NCAA and US Championship?

The last time a freshman won the NCAA championships was Dedy Cooper in 1976.

Cooper was an all time great high schooler. He set the national HS record of 13.2 that Skeets Nehemiah broke.

Cooper was 20 years old as a freshman but he was not a redshirt.

Cooper finished fourth in the 1976 Olympic Trials. He does not show in the national championship results, which were a separate meet in those days.

So the answer to your question is: a very long time, at the least.

With a little further looking, I can tell you that the answer to your question is: never.

Allen and Cooper are the only two freshmen ever to win the NCAA high hurdles, so there is no other candidate.

Jerry Tarr--another football player as I recall.

joel przybilla wrote:

not to take away anything from his win but ronnie ash broke 13 in the semis and fell in the finals.

Yeah, and to win you have to cross the finish line (your time in the semis don't count). So, no, you tried to take something away, but because Allen actually crossed the finish line first he won.

Realism wrote:

even if he turns into an Olympic medalist caliber hurdler, he could definitely make more money as an average or even backup NFL wide receiver

It's not like he'd be poor as a medalist. I could be biased, but I'd rather make a few hundred thousand dollars less, save my brain, and have a sweet olympic ring tattoo.

Devon is beast and his performance was amazing, given the fact he started the season with a 14.xx. He will make more money in track than football cause right now there is no guarantee he could even go pro in football. And he could go pro right now in track.Side note Ronnie Ash was going to run something amazing if he didn't crash the hurdle. I'm guessing somewhere in the range of 12.95. Ronnie ash is the future of USA hurdles.

Hank Moody wrote:

Realism wrote:

even if he turns into an Olympic medalist caliber hurdler, he could definitely make more money as an average or even backup NFL wide receiver

It's not like he'd be poor as a medalist. I could be biased, but I'd rather make a few hundred thousand dollars less, save my brain, and have a sweet olympic ring tattoo.

Yes, Ash was going to do something special.

As for Devon Allen, he ran 48.xx 400m out of the blocks as a 16 year old HS soph. If he wanted to devote himself solely to track, he might be just as good at the 400IH as he is at the 110HH.

joel przybilla wrote:

not to take away anything from his win but ronnie ash broke 13 in the semis and fell in the finals.

Have you ever tried to warmup in 100F temps and maintain your performance?

I was there at the meet and it really was 100 degrees in Sacramento (and the fact that almost 10,000 people still turned out is something I hope USATF pays attention to) They ran semis and finals in the same afternoon in the same 100F. Ash had gotten clear of the field and he would have won by a lot probably, but he just didn't make one of the hurdles.

He could have been run down by the heat and his semi effort. You just don't recover as well when it's that hot.

His 12.99 in the semis was with a legal wind and is the fastest time in the world by a lot. He will certainly get a bunch of Diamond League shots off that.

coach d wrote:

I was there at the meet and it really was 100 degrees in Sacramento (and the fact that almost 10,000 people still turned out is something I hope USATF pays attention to) .

Where were they hiding? Seriously, from tv coverage, the stands on the homestretch looked way less than half full and there was hardly a person oil the backstretch stretch stands. I know the stadium capacity is near/slightly over 20,000, but 9,000 would be a generous guess from NBC's coverage.

With all the hubbub of how great Sac's fan base and how its weather is better than Eugene's (via meet co-director and various posts on mb), it's a little sad to now try to plead that a not so great turn out is really great - and infer that typical late June Sac weather is to blame.

Have you ever tried to warmup in 100F temps and maintain your performance?

I was there at the meet and it really was 100 degrees in Sacramento (and the fact that almost 10,000 people still turned out is something I hope USATF pays attention to) They ran semis and finals in the same afternoon in the same 100F. Ash had gotten clear of the field and he would have won by a lot probably, but he just didn't make one of the hurdles.

He could have been run down by the heat and his semi effort. You just don't recover as well when it's that hot.

His 12.99 in the semis was with a legal wind and is the fastest time in the world by a lot. He will certainly get a bunch of Diamond League shots off that.[/quote]

Coach D gives his little charges Popsicle breaks during warm ups on toasty days. And he doesn't have his munchkins actually run then, they play slip and slides.

And by the way the no sprint school just produced a 110 hurdle national champion, making coach D**ch's day!