HOW LONG UNTIL WE HATE GALEN AGAIN?

Bleu wrote:

He is so lean. Every vein in his body shows.

I'm not close to as lean as him, but my thighs get more vascular than Galen's when I bike. I think weights/sprint work has a lot to do with this.

Every distance record in the modern era was set with PEDS. There, can we all now move on to something else? Rupp, love him or hate him, is the American GOAT.

Bravo

Some used PEDS and I'm personally aware of few runners that used excessive quantities of oregano and cumin, although I always add a little garlic to balance the flavors.

Some were set with new training methods. Some were set with altitude tents. Some were set with high doses of Vitamin D. Some were set with DMSO. Some were set with testosterone. Some were set with EPO. Some were set with HGH. Some were set by things we have no clue about.

Is an ice bath after a race allowed, or is that like an altitude tent? Is an aspirin after a race allowed, or is that a PED?

What do you mean every distance record was set with PEDS?

Very well said!

It's absolutely sickening that every second person here jumps on the scuttlebutt hate wagon! Why. Because it's cool, fun?

As far as I'm concerned these jag offs can all take a flying fignewton

Guys.

Be rational.

We know that during the era of Lance, every top cyclist was doing EPO. All of them. We know they did not fail tests because their organizations hid them to protect Lance/the sport/Nike. This happened. This is not speculation.

This was during the Geb/El Guerrouj era.

Also, it is coming to light that USATF officials promoted doping for US sprinters. Our best sprinter has just come out saying a high ranking USATF official convinced him to use steroids.

We know that Alberto Salazar used things that are now illegal (DMSO etc.)

We know Rupp takes thyroid medications.

I do not KNOW that Rupp is doping. I do know that his vascularity has increased. I do know that he is running times only East Africans ran during the known EPO era, before testing for the drug, and during a time when even a positive test for your A sample could be negated by your B sample (Lagat).

It is a very REASONABLE stance to think that NOP runners are doing something that is either

a. Illegal

b. Will be illegal when WADA knows it exists

It is not a crazy conspiracy theory. It is one that has been shown time and again to be complicit by the very people you expect to be enforcing the rules.

thin in air wrote:

all NOPers are dopers

You can rhyme, good for you.

Go back to your mommy's basement. You sound like a jealous punk.

doo doo wrote:

I do not KNOW that Rupp is doping.

I agree with you for the most part. I know that it certainly seems like fishy stuff is going on. But this statement above is the key. You don't know. I don't either. Maybe someone knows. Maybe he isn't doping. So many people here are so eager to put Rupp & others on death row for a crime they assume is happening but aren't sure of. If you want to do that, then go ahead. I'm just saying it hurts the sport to have runners who dope and fans who, because of that, are jaded and skeptical and cynical. If people are so sure runners dope, then why watch the sport? So you can come here and bash it?

I understand my point leads to this cyclical kind of whirlwind, sure. My stance is that I am going to appreciate and respect every effort until it becomes certain to me that those efforts are tarnished by cheating, if they are tarnished at all. Maybe this is the wrong stance to have, but at least it lets me enjoy the sport and talk about performances as performances, not as numbers with asterisks next to them.

There's never going to be a right answer here until we get total transparency. But those witches who were burned at the stake? They were all just women. And there's definitely a handful of men, if not more, who are on death row who don't deserve to be there. I'm proud of Rupp, and watching him get that record was exciting for me. If he gets convicted of doping sometime down the road, I'll shake my head and get over it. But if not, at least I'll always have this genuine, earnest memory of feeling proud for an American runner that I have now.

doo doo wrote:

b. Will be illegal when WADA knows it exists

^This is the correct answer. WADA will make the bans for newly minted illegal items retroactive, because the spirit of sport clause demands it. "It wasn't banned before, how was I to know" will not be an acceptable defense for an athlete.

DMVarea wrote:

You don't know. I don't either. Maybe someone knows. Maybe he isn't doping.

The answer is that gray zone let you properly claim you are not doping because you not doing anything that is on the official banned list. But the new WADA rules are that unknown drugs, vitaims, gases, and techniques, do not have to be on the banned list.

Y'all need to give Rupp his due. PEDs or no PEDs the 10K is the hardest fuh-king race.

The answer is b. wrote:

DMVarea wrote:

You don't know. I don't either. Maybe someone knows. Maybe he isn't doping.

The answer is that gray zone let you properly claim you are not doping because you not doing anything that is on the official banned list. But the new WADA rules are that unknown drugs, vitaims, gases, and techniques, do not have to be on the banned list.

WTF are you babbling about?

doo doo wrote:

I do know that he is running times only East Africans ran during the known EPO era

Let's not forget the great Salah Hissou.

Critical Thinking wrote:

doo doo wrote:

I do know that he is running times only East Africans ran during the known EPO era

Let's not forget the great Salah Hissou.

…and a Moroccan.

also not on the banned list: ice, stretching, foam roller, massage....and don't forget gym work & busting your but on the underwater treadmill during 3-a-days! horrible stuff!

The answer is b. wrote:

DMVarea wrote:

You don't know. I don't either. Maybe someone knows. Maybe he isn't doping.

The answer is that gray zone let you properly claim you are not doping because you not doing anything that is on the official banned list. But the new WADA rules are that unknown drugs, vitaims, gases, and techniques, do not have to be on the banned list.

elfie rupp is every bit as clean as lance, marion, flojo, radcliffe, makhloufi, kratchivlova, sammy sosa, barry bonds

no doping positives yet

I wouldn't like the guy even if he would've set a new world record. His looks are so funking annoying!!! lol haha

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What is about drugs, vitamins, gases (xenon), and techniques that are not banned now, but could be banned in the future retroactively, is that your pea-brain cannot grasp?

You cannot possible be so retarded as to not understand this simple reality of the new WADA world.