Mckena Ramos-- Will he transfer?

He should transfer and at least pick up some D1 money, unlikely he could get a full ride.

He should definitely transfer. He will be pushed way harder in the d1 scene than he will in d3. He could pick up some money and maybe attend a better institution while he's at it.

futures are important wrote:

He should definitely transfer. He will be pushed way harder in the d1 scene than he will in d3. He could pick up some money and maybe attend a better institution while he's at it.

andrew rock didn't transfer. seemed to work out well for him.

not to mention his 46.61 as a freshman was more impressive than ramos' 3:45..

telecran wrote:

Getting school paid for at a better academic institution seems like a good idea.

Being d1 doesn't make a school a better academic institution

bhgbj wrote:

telecran wrote:

Getting school paid for at a better academic institution seems like a good idea.

Being d1 doesn't make a school a better academic institution

We're talking about UWZero. D1 is better.

State Street wrote:

We're talking about UWZero. D1 is better.

Divisions have to do with SPORTS. Has nothing to do with academics.

bhgbj wrote:

State Street wrote:

We're talking about UWZero. D1 is better.

Divisions have to do with SPORTS. Has nothing to do with academics.

My guess is he is good enough to get recruited by a school superior to UW-Oshkosh. Obviously school quality doesn't necessarily depend on division, but it's not hard to say a lot of schools he could look at are gonna be better than an average UW system school.

Clearly he could have opportunities both academically and athletically. But whatever he is doing in his current program seems to be working extremely well.

bhgbj wrote:

State Street wrote:

We're talking about UWZero. D1 is better.

Divisions have to do with SPORTS. Has nothing to do with academics.

The nickname for UW-Oshkosh is UW-Zero for a reason. It is not a very good academic institution and that is why many kids go there, because they can't get in to better academic schools. Andrew Rock went to UW-LaCrosse, one of the better state schools academically. Not sure what kind of student Ramos is, but I certainly don't think he should automatically transfer. Obviously his coach is doing something right and the environment is working well for him. His coach can get him opportunities to race better runners, just like they did with Matt Groose.

It's obvious there are jealous folks out there. Who would bash an institution for having a fast runner? The rival competitors would love for Ramos to transfer and are the ones who started this thread.

Typically, it is insane to transfer because you are running well. A person can thrive in one environment and not in another. Leaving friends and going to a third school in three years (high school, college, new college) can be stressful and counterproductive.

The coach is doing good thing and Ramos is doing good things. UWO has a 3.4gpa average high school. It's not Harvard, but it is a solid state school that turns away a lot of average students.

He can transfer or stay, but it's amazing that haters can bash the school for having a great runner.

if he was attending an academically elite d3 school, i would totally agree, but the fact is that he now has an opportunity to use his athletics to find a school with superior academics AND athletics, while getting part/most or more of his education paid for by athletic scholarship. unless he has completely fallen in love with the school or the running program at Oshkosh, it's a no-brainer to transfer up and get a less expensive degree that will also help him later in life since it will be more impressive than a UW-Oshkosh degree.

a school with an 84% acceptance rate doesn't turn away a lot of average students, it turns away a few sub-average students and takes the rest. it sounds harsh, but it's true. a UWO degree won't impress future employers, and Ramos has the chance to get a better one.

Typical Letsrun wrote:

It's obvious there are jealous folks out there. Who would bash an institution for having a fast runner? The rival competitors would love for Ramos to transfer and are the ones who started this thread.

Typically, it is insane to transfer because you are running well. A person can thrive in one environment and not in another. Leaving friends and going to a third school in three years (high school, college, new college) can be stressful and counterproductive.

The coach is doing good thing and Ramos is doing good things. UWO has a 3.4gpa average high school. It's not Harvard, but it is a solid state school that turns away a lot of average students.

He can transfer or stay, but it's amazing that haters can bash the school for having a great runner.

I certainly am not one of the jealous ones and I did say in my post that I thought he should consider staying. However, I do want to know if you are denying that the school is known throughout the state as UW-Zero. It has been known as that since I can remember back in the 1970's even. It is not considered a good academic school. I remember an athlete a few years back that could not get in to any other school in the state and he did get in to UW-Oshkosh and that is why he went there. The running program however has been excellent for years and even with the departure of John Zupanc, it appears the new coach is doing a great job and hopefully McKenna seriously considers staying there and not just transferring because the grass seems greener at a different school. Very few runners improve their freshman year like Ramos has and it is obviously working for him.

This is probably one of the more idiotic posts I've read in a while with regards to "worth" of a degree and it's influence on school selection.

I listen to people spout about how much better their private institutions degree's are, and about how much better of an education they received than the state school campuses, yet, most of the time, they're in the same entry level positions as the people they bash, while carrying 10 times the debt.

I'm not suggesting that UWO is a substitute for Harvard, I'm suggesting that your future career path and educational institution are not always parallel inclines relational with academic exclusivity.

For example, if you want to manage a hedge fund one day, you're probably going to have a much easier time accomplishing that goal if you're going to Stanford, but if you'd like to be a high school English teacher, and you split the bill for Wash U, your probably not going to get any sympathy in the faculty lounge complaining about your student loans while making sure everyone knows you went to such a great school.

At the end of the day, regardless of how fast you are, college is a personal choice, not a mandated endeavor. You pick a school based upon the priorities that mean the most to you. If you want the prestigious degree, great, go for it. If you want more life balance and you get that at a lesser institution, that's your choice.

I find it silly to imply the belief that deep down, everyone wants to go to a better academic school, that somehow, we all start by wanting to go to an Ivy league college and basically work our way down until one lets us in...

Athletically, the clock is objective. There are no conversions for division. Outside of the NCAA championship meets, he's known as a 3:45 1500 guy, not div 3 3:45. No different than Groose, Klimenhagen, Tim Nelson, or any other former great WIAC runner. Everyone of those guys ran against div 1 competition.

Your post would be completely right on if you would have left out the "better academic school" idea. There's no such thing. The students at Harvard may have better SAT scores but that doesn't mean the education at Harvard is better. No, the college rankings websites have nothing to do with the academics at a school. The education at all undergrad is the same more or less. The prestige is not, but prestige isn't education.

There\'s a reason some schools are more prestigious or \"better\" than others. Elite colleges aren\'t about the education you get but the connections you make there. Sure, if Ramos wants to become a school teacher in Wisconsin then maybe UW-Oshkosh is the perfect school. However, he likely will have the opportunity to get a full ride to a more prestigious university which give him access to better connections in the real world and likely pay dividends over the course of his life.

Also, I can guarantee that someone will respond to this with an anecdote about one of their friends who went to a state school and is making way more than a Cornell graduate. Certain universities are considered prestigious for a reason: the majority of graduates from these universities make far more than graduates from schools like UW-Oshkosh so spare me your sob story.

Uh, better academic institution? School is what you make of it. The question is whether he can make the most of a bigger (not better) school academically. Each kid has his own fit in athletics and academics.

prestige is everything wrote:

Also, I can guarantee that someone will respond to this with an anecdote about one of their friends who went to a state school and is making way more than a Cornell graduate. Certain universities are considered prestigious for a reason: the majority of graduates from these universities make far more than graduates from schools like UW-Oshkosh so spare me your sob story.

Dear Mitt Romney, were you wearing your white pants when you wrote this?

Your first paragraph is accurate. There are advantages outside of academics that accompany graduating from a more prestigious university. I don't think anyone would argue that.

But your second paragraph just makes you look stupid. The only people who ever use the argument "we get paid more" are the people who feel the need to justify why it was so important to attend that university in the first place.

I ran in the WIAC, and I've never heard any runner from any team complain that they wish the academics were better. This includes runners who went on to become medical doctors, lawyers, brokers, programmers, teachers, etc... are they getting paid as much as someone who went to Cornell or working at some elite think tank in New York, who knows, and I bet none of them care, they're doing what they wanted, just like I'm sure you are and people at any school are.

The point is, if he feels a different university is what's best for his future, good for him. Go for it... I just find the idea that because he could transfer, he should, based upon priorities that others think are more important.

Sounds like he is officially going to be a Badger next year.

Seems like the transfer was kind of a bust. At least with his current times he would still be competitive in his conference. would probably run the 800 for a UW DMR and not lose more than a second or two.