What do you think of this Minnesota mans claim of self-defense?????

I think the guy is a scumbag lowlife, but a part of me wants to say that you have this coming to you if you break into someone's home.

I have no sympathy for people who break into homes. I am sorry.

AllTimeLowLife wrote:

I think the guy is a scumbag lowlife, but a part of me wants to say that you have this coming to you if you break into someone's home.

I have no sympathy for people who break into homes. I am sorry.

This x2

AllTimeLowLife wrote:

I think the guy is a scumbag lowlife, but a part of me wants to say that you have this coming to you if you break into someone's home.

I have no sympathy for people who break into homes. I am sorry.

Pretty much my exact feelings.

I think he will go to prison for a long time and deserves to. The first shot was self defense everything after that was murder.

AllTimeLowLife wrote:

I think the guy is a scumbag lowlife, but a part of me wants to say that you have this coming to you if you break into someone's home.

I have no sympathy for people who break into homes. I am sorry.

I am also conflicted. If someone broke into my house I would want them dead and they deserve to die but this guy went wayyyyyyy overboard.

Any bets he is an avid Fox News fan?

poster 941 wrote:

AllTimeLowLife wrote:

I think the guy is a scumbag lowlife, but a part of me wants to say that you have this coming to you if you break into someone's home.

I have no sympathy for people who break into homes. I am sorry.

Pretty much my exact feelings.

I think he will go to prison for a long time and deserves to. The first shot was self defense everything after that was murder.

Can't say that he deserves to go to prison for a long time, though I think he is a crappy person. Again I would echo that you have lost the right to sympathy once you break into someone's home, as that intrusion is no egregiously personal.

Was he listening to Crushed Phlegmball podcasts? He's into driving a point home too.

I've read a couple of articles on this and not one has mentioned the use of a suppressor on his guns. Why in the HELL did the girl walk down the steps after 3 shots were already fired?

*so, not no

9 1/2 inches long wrote:

AllTimeLowLife wrote:

I think the guy is a scumbag lowlife, but a part of me wants to say that you have this coming to you if you break into someone's home.

I have no sympathy for people who break into homes. I am sorry.

I am also conflicted. If someone broke into my house I would want them dead and they deserve to die but this guy went wayyyyyyy overboard.

Any bets he is an avid Fox News fan?

Equal chance he got his guns from Obama and Eric holder in fast and furious 2.

I don't know why he went to the cops afterward, and not the landfill dump.

anapaix wrote:

9 1/2 inches long wrote:

I am also conflicted. If someone broke into my house I would want them dead and they deserve to die but this guy went wayyyyyyy overboard.

Any bets he is an avid Fox News fan?

Equal chance he got his guns from Obama and Eric holder in fast and furious 2.

If you think those are equal odds, you would be a poor handicapper.

george oscar bluth wrote:

poster 941 wrote:

Pretty much my exact feelings.

I think he will go to prison for a long time and deserves to. The first shot was self defense everything after that was murder.

Can't say that he deserves to go to prison for a long time, though I think he is a crappy person. Again I would echo that you have lost the right to sympathy once you break into someone's home, as that intrusion is no egregiously personal.

I don't totally disagree.

But, putting the gun to the girls chin and shooting a 'nice clean kill shot' is murder.

She put herself in that situation but he took it too far. Only his state of mind will be able to keep him out of prison I think. His house had been broken into several times before so that might keep him out of prison.

I have been burgled while I was in the house and it was a horrible experience but I can't say I want the burglars to be dead because of what they did. Seems a pretty steep penalty considering they didn't even do me any physical harm.

I'd like to keep this non-political and see where people stand, if that is even possible here.

I am not a gun owner and I think we need tougher gun laws, but I cannot help but feel like this guy had a right to shoot the people who broke into his home. I am not saying I would do it, but I think he should have that right.

The mercy-shot thing sounds terrible, but it actually might have been somewhat empathetic. I mean, if you were suffering and absolutely going to die, wouldn't you want to be put down in a painless manner? Reminds me of the shot fired by Daniel Day Lewis towards the end of Last of the Mohicans when the guy is being burned at the stake.

If you were the 2nd teenager would you follow the 1st teenager down the same stairs after hearing 3 rifle shots?

umm wrote:

I have been burgled while I was in the house and it was a horrible experience but I can't say I want the burglars to be dead because of what they did. Seems a pretty steep penalty considering they didn't even do me any physical harm.

In retrospect you don't want them dead...

...but if it had happened numerous times and you had your baby in the next room and your wife by your side, you might feel differently.

I am 100% against killing. I am not a proponent of killing in any circumstance, but there are some situations where a right to kill is warranted.

I think the lesson here is that you just do not enter someone else's home without knowing that you could be shot and killed, legally.

Want to steal? Go hit a parked car and take your chances. the second you walk into someone else's home, you enter a totally different scenario. Think of it like killing a cop. You kill a cop and you have no chance. I think of this as the same thing. WAY OVERBOARD.

Kind of Slim Shady wrote:

In retrospect you don't want them dead...

...but if it had happened numerous times and you had your baby in the next room and your wife by your side, you might feel differently.

I would probably kill them in the heat of the moment if it felt like my life or my family's lives were in danger. I would not actively confront and shoot a burglar under any other circumstance.

To me it sounds like this guy wanted to kill the burglars rather than defend himself. Is his property worth more than someone's life? I would rather criminals were brought to justice through the courts than trigger happy vigilantes.

poster 941 wrote:

AllTimeLowLife wrote:

I think the guy is a scumbag lowlife, but a part of me wants to say that you have this coming to you if you break into someone's home.

I have no sympathy for people who break into homes. I am sorry.

Pretty much my exact feelings.

I think he will go to prison for a long time and deserves to. The first shot was self defense everything after that was murder.

You're only allowed one shot? The kill shot on the first teen went through his hand meaning he was still fighting and defending himself at that point and was still a threat. The danger hadn't passed until the 3rd shot was fired.

george oscar bluth wrote:

AllTimeLowLife wrote:

I think the guy is a scumbag lowlife, but a part of me wants to say that you have this coming to you if you break into someone's home.

I have no sympathy for people who break into homes. I am sorry.

This x2

Yeah, pretty much this.

It is important to note that there does not have to be a right side and a wrong side in every case. Often it is the case that both sides are right (in fact, this is how it goes in most human interactions, thankfully). Likewise, there are times when both sides are wrong. That seems to be the case here.

The fact that the teens were scum for breaking into his house does not make his actions right.

The fact that his actions are wrong does not make the teens any less of scum.

Sometimes both sides are wrong.